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http://www.fwscca.com/Drift/Newsletters/May09DRIFT.pdf (See Page 18)

Anyone know who wrote this?  Is this official in FWR?  There are a lot of misconstrued facts here.  I'd be happy to help straighten this out if I can find the author.

Looks like someone just c/p from the rule book.

I could be wrong though... as I have not looked at a rule book since 2006 :P

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JPMRacing26:

Looks like someone just c/p from the rule book.

I could be wrong though... as I have not looked at a rule book since 2006 :P

If you are talking about an 06' rule book or older maybe, but with tweaks.  I have so many questions for clarification I don't know where to start.  I'd love for the creator of this rule set to chime in and explain.  Are these region only rules?  Are they purposely customized from National Class rules (and class names) or just out of date?  Does "FULL NATIONAL CLASS" mean same rules as the National Class?  STU and STS (Formerly STS2) are now "FULL NATIONAL CLASSES" aren't they?  I know there was talk last year about implementing Street Tire classes, but I thought was to be implemented in the off season to avoid mid-season changes.

When did/does this take affect?

BTW....Link to 09 rules if anyone would like to read them>>>>> http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=61

One last thread jack OTTER...

[sarcasm] Only the cool people come to the forums... Everyone else uses the website [sarcasm]

Thanks for the link :P

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JPMRacing26:

Looks like someone just c/p from the rule book.

I could be wrong though... as I have not looked at a rule book since 2006 :P

If you are talking about an 06' rule book or older maybe, but with tweaks.  I have so many questions for clarification I don't know where to start.  I'd love for the creator of this rule set to chime in and explain.  Are these region only rules?  Are they purposely customized from National Class rules (and class names) or just out of date?  Does "FULL NATIONAL CLASS" mean same rules as the National Class?  STU and STS (Formerly STS2) are now "FULL NATIONAL CLASSES" aren't they?  I know there was talk last year about implementing Street Tire classes, but I thought was to be implemented in the off season to avoid mid-season changes.

When did/does this take affect?

BTW....Link to 09 rules if anyone would like to read them>>>>> http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=61

 

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I am not sure who the authors were.  This class was created before my time. I am sure Ron Conrad had a hand in creating them. 

For example my fiero would fall into sts(formerly sts2) in our region.  Nationally i am not allowed in sts because i have too much displacement...not to be confused with too much hp...hahaha

Yes, I changed the the letters to avoid confusion.  I didn't think anyone would have a problem with that. 

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'08 Saturn Astra XR

chriskrumnow:

I am not sure who the authors were.  This class was created before my time. I am sure Ron Conrad had a hand in creating them. 

For example my fiero would fall into sts(formerly sts2) in our region.  Nationally i am not allowed in sts because i have too much displacement...not to be confused with too much hp...hahaha

Yes, I changed the the letters to avoid confusion.  I didn't think anyone would have a problem with that. 

Chris....you are the newletter editor.  Who gave you this to post?  Is this official?  When does/did it take affect.  I'm just looking for a little clarification.

It did kind of suck for me as I would have had to have had all my vinyl re-cut since the numbers and the lettering touched each other, but I've pretty much retired the car from competition anymore anyways so in the end I lucked out.

chriskrumnow:

For example my fiero would fall into sts (formerly sts2) in our region. 

Regionally, your car would potentially be allowed to run STS2 (now STS), but if a competitor complained, you would be moved to the appropriate class. I have had to do this in the past, and yes, it sucked then as much as it would suck now.  It is almost universally better if a competitor is correctly classed in the first place.

All of the FWR classes that are defined in the Solo Rules are run to the Solo Rules.  The cars that run in each class are subject to review by the competitors and, if their class legality is called into question, appropriate actions would be taken.  This is why there was a strong push eariler this year to define SMS (not SMT).  We needed an understanding of what the class was (which we now have).  Technically, by our policies and procedures, we can't even run SMT because all we offer are national classes and a novice class (we might want to look at the P&P and fix that). (see excerpt from P&P below)

 

4. REGULATIONS GOVERNING FORT WAYNE REGION SCCA SOLO EVENTS

All rules and regulations as stated in the current SCCA Solo Rule Book and amendments are applicable to Fort Wayne Region SCCA Solo events. The following local rules are in addition to or supersede those stated in the SCCA Solo Rule Book. Event Chairmen should also consult the current Solo Eventmaster's Guide for more information.

4.1 Automobile Classes

The following Classes shall be offered at all Fort Wayne Region SCCA Solo events.

4.1.1 National Level Classes

All Car Classes specified in the current year SCCA Solo Rules Book for National level Solo competition shall be offered.

4.1.2 Novice Class

A Novice Class shall be offered for Solo drivers that have not participated in more than three (3) events prior to the current year. Novices will be ranked based on performance improvements from first run through last run for each event.

 

Class rules exist for a reason and need to be consistently applied so that we have competitors who don't have reason to claim favoritism and, more importantly, know what to expect prior to arrival at an event.  If we want to go off and create our own class rules, as a region we can decide that, but it is highly likely that our out of region attendance will drop off significantly as a result.

Respectfully-

    Bill Headlee

    FWR Director at Large

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Bill Headlee
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I did some checking.  STU2 was used in '05.  SMS started in '06.  I just posted the rules from the laptop.  They are the official rules.  These are the rules we have been running with since '06.  I don't see an issue with them.  I just posted them because there was confusion about 2 seaters in SMT.  I think the rules should remain simple.

I will keep the rules in the Drift for a few months.  Hopefully it will create positive discusions that will improve the club.

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chriskrumnow:

I did some checking.  STU2 was used in '05.  SMS started in '06.  I just posted the rules from the laptop.  They are the official rules.  These are the rules we have been running with since '06.  I don't see an issue with them.  I just posted them because there was confusion about 2 seaters in SMT.  I think the rules should remain simple.

They are NOT the official rules.  The official rules are defined in t he Solo Rules as published by the SCCA unless it is a regional class. From which laptop did you post them?  SMS was created as SM (not including SM2) on street tires.  That was its original intent (and INDY copied it from us and they still have this definition).  We strayed from this definition until this year and, based on agreement of the Solo Director, have returned to SM (not including SM2) on street tires.  Please publish the correct rules as a correction in the next Drift.

Bill

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Bill Headlee
1970 Boss 302 CP car Writeup in Ford Builder magazine

4.2 Supplement For Chairpersons
The following supplemental guidelines shall be executed by the Solo Chairperson.
4.2.1 Insurance
Proof of insurance shall be in the Chairperson's possession during running of the event. Follow all currently
applicable insurance procedures as defined in the SCCA Operations Guide for Regional Solo events.
4.2.2 Site Approval
A letter of approval to use the event site should be in the Chairperson’s possession during running of the event.
4.2.3 Jurisdiction
The Eventmaster has decision making powers in event disputes, with his decision being final with the exception
of matters regarding crowd control and general safety, which is the Solo Safety Steward's responsibility.
4.2.4 Supplemental Regulations
Changes and additions to the SCCA Solo Rules that are necessary to execute the event shall be available to all
entrants during registration or during a mandatory driver's meeting.

What about this part?

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'08 Saturn Astra XR

chriskrumnow:

4.2.4 Supplemental Regulations
Changes and additions to the SCCA Solo Rules that are necessary to execute the event shall be available to all
entrants during registration or during a mandatory driver's meeting.

What about this part?

Additional classes and class rule changes are not "necessary to execute the event".

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Bill Headlee
1970 Boss 302 CP car Writeup in Ford Builder magazine

Don't shoot the messenger!

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'08 Saturn Astra XR

What are the options?

1. We do nothing! Add the policy for next year.

2. Eliminate the class...BAD IDEA!!!

3. Bring up and add the policy at the next board meeting. 

 

We really don't want any more drama!!!

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'08 Saturn Astra XR