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Andy Hollis:

glagola1:

Anybody want to buy some lightly used 195/50-15 R1Rs?

They are grippy but I'm not a big fan of how they feel.  They are obviously not a silver bullet.

My experience is this:

The Toyos feel like Dirt Stockers (bias ply, soft compound, soft carcass).  They require large slip angles and a deliver on a "toss" driving style.  If you are fromthe "finesse" camp like me (and Mike and Matt) you won't like them.  But they so stick, especially in low-grip/cold/wet conditions.  Might be a good HPT tire.

When I get home later I will post a picture of a Toyo with the tread literally peeling off.  That was from a couple of runs on a 30-second course featuring both transitions and big sweepers (the latter did it) with my Civic.

Expect also to totally change your setup.  These tires will make your car push a TON.

I did a half-assed last-minute test last week and plan to do a more comprehensive test soon.  Especially if I can lay my hands on the new big size. 

--Andy

 

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the info.  Not exactly what I was hoping to hear. 

How do you think the R1R's compare to the Azenis RT-615's?  I am looking for a 275/40R17 for my '01 M Roadster.  The R1R and RT-615's are the only ones that come in that size that I have found. 

Do you think R1R's or RT-615's in 235/45R17 and 275/40R17 would be better than Direzza Z1's or RE-01's (Neova's are too $$) in 225/45R17 and 255/40R17?  Would the additional width of the R1R's or RT-615's offset the increase in performance of the Z1's or RE-01's. 

I currently have 235/45R17 and 275/40R17 Kumho MX's on the car.  I like the handling balance as it is, but would like to increase the grip all around by going to a stickier tire without resorting to an R-Comp (must be 140+ treadwear for my class). 

Thanks.

 -Scott