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What Was The Purpose of The Feb Rule Change to STU

Last post 03-23-2009, 4:56 PM by SM Racing. 6 replies.
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  •  03-19-2009, 11:46 AM 351793

    What Was The Purpose of The Feb Rule Change to STU

    I noticed in FastTrack that the suspension rule for STU has been change to add weight.  Any idea why someone felt that needed to change?  Plus does that mean that I can't change the construction of the rear suspension, as long as I maintain the factory installed type of suspension?

    Brett Whisenant
    www.smracingdevelopment.com
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  •  03-20-2009, 9:32 AM 351997 in reply to 351793

    Re: What Was The Purpose of The Feb Rule Change to STU

    We are trying to not have people change the OEM suspension pick points on new cars that are built. We are working on a clarification of the rear suspension rules.
    Peter Keane
    SSC Acura Integra GSR
    Goodyear Racing Tires
  •  03-20-2009, 10:29 AM 352010 in reply to 351997

    Re: What Was The Purpose of The Feb Rule Change to STU

    Then why not take the rule out that allows me to move the points before I get the car built?  I can't build a car to a moving target. 

    The rules currently allow a slight correction in the pickup points, as allowed in the past by several race organizations, World Challenge being one of them.  That is how you build race cars out of grocery getters.  Why not leave the rule as it was written in the original GCR?  When cars are lowered and tires are changed from the production arrangement the suspension geometry needs to be corrected.  That is part of building a competitive race car.  The rules allow seam welding, which is part of building a purpose built race car.  There are other classes for people that can't/don't want to build real dedicated race cars.  Those classes are called IT, SS, Touring, etc.  Super Touring is supposed to be a class where professionally engineered modern race cars can race.  Even the production classses allow cars to move suspension mounting points. 

     How do you reconcile the cars that have been built in the last 15 years to run in World Challenge?  These are professional deigned and built race cars yet we are going to hamper the efforts of the privateers to build to that level, with rules not conducive to the purpose of the class?

     

    Sorry for the rant.  I'm just a little frustrated with the moving target.


    Brett Whisenant
    www.smracingdevelopment.com
  •  03-20-2009, 4:05 PM 352102 in reply to 352010

    Re: What Was The Purpose of The Feb Rule Change to STU

    You will always be able to move the pick up point like they have done in the past WC rules. We just did not want it to be a necessary modification. The new WC rules have gone away from it. To some people moving the points is easy, and it scares the crap out of others. We will never take it away, we just want it not to be necessary.
    Peter Keane
    SSC Acura Integra GSR
    Goodyear Racing Tires
  •  03-23-2009, 9:45 AM 352491 in reply to 352102

    Re: What Was The Purpose of The Feb Rule Change to STU

    Roger that thanks for the reply.

     

     

    Back to building my car.


    Brett Whisenant
    www.smracingdevelopment.com
  •  03-23-2009, 3:37 PM 352613 in reply to 352491

    Re: What Was The Purpose of The Feb Rule Change to STU

    We have talked about raising the minimum ride height and then we could reduce the weight penalty. The class is so new, we just want to find common ground.
    Peter Keane
    SSC Acura Integra GSR
    Goodyear Racing Tires
  •  03-23-2009, 4:56 PM 352644 in reply to 352613

    Re: What Was The Purpose of The Feb Rule Change to STU

    Please don't raise the ride height.  There is no reason to.  Super Touring should be an extension of WC and other touring car classes.  I think it could be thought of as a modernized version of production.  (Just without the archaic MGs and Austins).  IT has a huge subscription and is very successful making grocery getters go racing.  ST should be a class about building race cars out of grocery getters.

     

    I know the ST classes allow IT cars to "get the national experience", but we shouldn't downgrade the class to allow the beaters from IT to be competetive.  SCCA doesn't guarantee any car will be competitive.  Setup the rules and let people take the car to the level they feel comfortable with.  I think you will see plenty of turn out for the class once people see a stable rule set  This is one of the problems with GT and the advatanges of IT.  IT has rules that haven't changed in a million years (not even catching up with technology).  GT on the other hand changed every 2months.  Its hard to build a car to that.

     

    I just finished my school requirements and hope to have my car on track by 2010.  I have to build a couple of customer cars before mine, unfortunately.  Although I may get to complete my two regional races this year with a customer car.  But IT sure is boring.  Really need some HP.


    Brett Whisenant
    www.smracingdevelopment.com