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KBroeker:

Cool...congratulations!!!

Thanks... 

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Bill Headlee
1970 Boss 302 CP car DONE!
Writeup in Ford Builder magazine

KBroeker:

I think the idea of PRO class is that the top drivers compete based on PAX, which is what I was already doing, and give local up and comers a chance at a class trophy, either for an event or for the season..

exactly.

 

Otter:

Which is exactly why this is a good idea.  Peppler should be in pro, so he CAN have some competition.  Let's make all the good drivers even better by raising the bar.

+1

let's step it up!!!  lets have a race to the last event!!!   down to the wire.. not like last year where 1st and 2nd spots were sealed with events remaining in the season!!

 

wrheadle:

Does that mean that running the Pro class takes you out of the year end trophies?

takes you out of end of year "class" trophies..  but creates a 1-5 or top 10 for overall..

Pro-Class should be the people "in the Race"  for the Solo Cup at the end of the year.. Eg. the top 5 from last year,
steve, chuck, kyle, scott, travis.

Peppler33CS:

We have a bit of work to figure how to properly use the PRO class in the T&S software.

I vote we dump the soft-ware and go to AXware.

 Or screw messing with what we have.. and read off pro-class based on over-all pax results.. same thing.. if someone is in the top 10 and doesn't have (PR) beside their name.. they don't count for Pro-Class trophies..

eg.  the guy who got 2nd pax.. in HS..  2nd place pro would have gone to Steve (wow, that is weird to even type.. 2nd place, to steve.... maybe we should all get used to it..  

wrheadle:

The big question, based on Kyle's comments above, is whether or not the Pro drivers count to year end points at all or not...

yes absolutely... but based on my comment above..  pro class drivers earn points.. to win the Solo Cup.

 

KBroeker :

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Not to be obnoxious,...

Don't worry, I go out of my way to be all the time..   (see above.... just before the devil!!!  )

 

ALSO!!

after years.. of retarded tradition.. can we finally dump the trophy plaques???  Maybe it is because I am poor, but T-shirts make great trophies.

 

esp for year end.. if they have the top 10 PAX/pro class people ranked on the back.. maybe, if nothing else.. in addition to real year-end trophies..

then offer them for sale for cheap.. to any member.. who did not compete in the pro-class.

 

ALSO!!!  V2.0

if we don't have someone up-dating the web-site.. we need a plan for the interim.

we should have a simple spread-sheet.. with date, location, and a map link.. at VERY least..

then populate them with results.. ASAP!!!!

I don't care if we have to post links from here, or myspace,  or someone else can host them.. or ask that someone, maybe steve S.. can post it on the web0site..

 

I talked to 2 people at the event who didn't know if was tha day and arrived late.. and therefore had to watch..  additonally.. 2 more people stopped by my house...asking me the same thing... FUTHERMORE!!!!   Travis and I have been going out of our way to e-mail, text, blog, post bulletins.. etc.. to invite people.. who don't know we or the club or our events exist....

 

I see the people in this thread (with the addition of a couple others) being the core to the club.. lets seriously.. take the local events to the next level..

where is Krummy.. i know he's prolly been too busy to poke his head in.. although kudos to him.. for his first event.. it could have gone smoother.. but for a first event.. not to shabby.. let's step-it-up to support him.. and our region!!  

Andy Ucter:

ALSO!!! V2.0

if we don't have someone up-dating the web-site.. we need a plan for the interim.

we should have a simple spread-sheet.. with date, location, and a map link.. at VERY least..

then populate them with results.. ASAP!!!!

I don't care if we have to post links from here, or myspace,  or someone else can host them.. or ask that someone, maybe steve S.. can post it on the web0site..

I talked to 2 people at the event who didn't know if was tha day and arrived late.. and therefore had to watch..  additonally.. 2 more people stopped by my house...asking me the same thing... FUTHERMORE!!!!   Travis and I have been going out of our way to e-mail, text, blog, post bulletins.. etc.. to invite people.. who don't know we or the club or our events exist....

I see the people in this thread (with the addition of a couple others) being the core to the club.. lets seriously.. take the local events to the next level..

Sounds like we have someone volunteering to be the next Webmaster or DRIFT editor!   

It's one thing to say let's take the club to the next level and completely another to find people willing to volunteer their time to do it. 

Your friendly neighbor DRIFT editor who's still waiting for event results too,
Steven

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srs007:

[It's one thing to say let's take the club to the next level and completely another to find people willing to volunteer their time to do it. 

 

thanks for reading.

 I agree to a point..

FWR as a region sucks!!!  too many inactve people making retarded rules and determinations.. 

 

here is your coup d' etat people..

 

I won't be web-master... not as long as the politics in the region are going as they are... as long as an inactive individual can affect active individuals.. I won't do it.

 I will be, however, one of the active people.. actively seeking remedy and remediation to solve these problems..../non-personal rant

 

Actually, if you belong to any organization, you will the main problem is finding helpers instead of users.  It's just seems to be the way of things.  Let someone else do all the work so I don't have too...

By saying FWR sucks, you just make people more likely to not to get more involved.  As to rules, the rules are mostly created by the national office and in a lot of cases are there so that we can simply have insurance for our events.  Around 1/2 of every entry fee is for the insurance.  If the rule or determination was made on the regional level, there are plenty of voting Board positions available. 
 

too many inactve people making retarded rules and determinations.. 

I won't be web-master... not as long as the politics in the region are going as they are...as long as an inactive individual can affect active individuals.. I won't do it.

Gave me a break on the politics.  That's just an excuse for people that are mad that they don't get things their way all of the time or aren't willing to fight for it.    And just because you don't see someone helping, doesn't mean they are an inactive member.  There are a huge number of things in the club that have do be done that no one ever sees being done.  An example of this is the Treasure.  He spends a huge number of hours on the club finances but one on ever sees it.  Have you ever thanked him?

One question though, how can an inactive person make a rule or determination.  By being a Board Member, they obviously aren't an inactive member.  Maybe they are just active in a part of the club other then the part you enjoy?   How about coming to a Board/Membership meeting sometime.  It's a great way to find out all the behind the scenes stuff that have to be done to keep the club going.  I would be happy to show you the ropes.

Steven

 

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Aslong as clubs have been racing ANYTHING the same issue comes about. You always have a small amount of people doing the work and a much larger group just showing up to race. The "racers" are the ones who complain about how things are being run but are not willing to take the steps to make changes. I thought the event I was at went pretty well. It got started alittle late but it's early in the season and you have a new guy running the event from my understanding. The results have not been posted yet and no one seems to know who has the results. Thats a issue thats needs taken care of. In this day and age of computers people don't wanna wait for a news letter to show via snail mail to see who did what. The other issue i see from the outside that needs adressed asap is the online info. If I had not gone to a birthday party the night before the event and talked to a guy who knew of your event I would have never found it. I got home and tried to find your schedule online but all I could find was your 2007 schedule.

 

As a whole I think your event ran pretty well and thats really the key to keeping me coming back. So I guess everything I just said can be taken with a grain of salt because none of it will stop me from coming back. 

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Andy Ucter:

FWR as a region sucks!!!  too many inactve people making retarded rules and determinations.. 

here is your coup d' etat people..

I won't be web-master... not as long as the politics in the region are going as they are... as long as an inactive individual can affect active individuals.. I won't do it.

I will be, however, one of the active people.. actively seeking remedy and remediation to solve these problems..../non-personal rant

What a bunch of crap.  Its an open club with open board meetings.  If you want to address the "retards" in person to get what you want, all you have to do is show up.  I'd bet that you find the rules and decisions that appear retarded are made with a specific purpose in mind.  If you have ideas or thoughts on how to do it better, I'm confident we (speaking as an elected member of the board) will listen and respond.  We need your support and feedback to be what you want us to be.

If you are going to whine and rant on the forums, bring specific examples to document why rules and determinations are retarded.  If you are short on data to support your position, leave your keyboard alone and go get the data.  After all, you may be right and we can then fix it.  If you don't tell us, I assure you, it will stay retarded. 

The best way to get ignored by the people who can affect immediate change is to do exactly what you did above.  Why?  Because you called me personally stupid and gave no reason why you think I am.  What is my motivation to respond?  Should I randomly start changing things until I coincidentally make you happy or should I make decisions to support the specific comments from others who care enough to be specific?  I'm going to chose the latter every time, without exception.

Oh, and if no one steps up to try to fix things, the politics will stay exactly the way they are.  If you want to be on the board to have a vote in things, pick your position now, work with the person in the position currently to learn the ropes (what they do right, what they do wrong, and what they have to do because the national ofice says they have to), then run for the spot in the fall.  The elections last year went the way they did because no one had visible experience in the club for the contested positions they lost.  People have to know you to vote for you, know that you are capable of doing the job (and not just because you say you are), and that means being visible in all parts of club activity.

By the way, you pissed me off whether you intended to or not.

Bill

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Bill Headlee
1970 Boss 302 CP car DONE!
Writeup in Ford Builder magazine

Andy Ucter:

wrheadle:

Does that mean that running the Pro class takes you out of the year end trophies?

takes you out of end of year "class" trophies..  but creates a 1-5 or top 10 for overall..

Pro-Class should be the people "in the Race"  for the Solo Cup at the end of the year.. Eg. the top 5 from last year,
steve, chuck, kyle, scott, travis.

There currently are no "class" tropies at the end of the year.  It is not a bad idea, maybe you should come to a board meeting and propose it?

Andy Ucter:

wrheadle:

The big question, based on Kyle's comments above, is whether or not the Pro drivers count to year end points at all or not...

yes absolutely... but based on my comment above..  pro class drivers earn points.. to win the Solo Cup.

The Solo Cup is not a points based award.  I believe that you are referring to the Regional Driver of the Year award...

Andy Ucter:

ALSO!!!  V2.0

if we don't have someone up-dating the web-site.. we need a plan for the interim.

we should have a simple spread-sheet.. with date, location, and a map link.. at VERY least..

then populate them with results.. ASAP!!!!

I don't care if we have to post links from here, or myspace,  or someone else can host them.. or ask that someone, maybe steve S.. can post it on the web0site..

Another valid comment that I agree with.  I'm waiting for results so I can get points done and post them here...

Bill

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Bill Headlee
1970 Boss 302 CP car DONE!
Writeup in Ford Builder magazine

Someone get off their ass and turn the results in :)

 

LMAO!!!

 

Had to throw some humor in their...

 

If you do not do what I ask, I will make you race my Hyundai for the next event and I will run your CAR!!!

 

Blah Blah Blah!!!

 

So yeah, GIDDY UP ALREADY :) :) :) 

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New thread started with unofficial results

wrheadle:

By the way, you pissed me off whether you intended to or not.

Bill

certainly did not mean to piss you off.. as you are one of the people whom seem to make the biggest difference..  and def not the status quo member.

 

I've read both your response and that of SRS007..  and advise has been duly noted.

I just ran across a quote from one of our presidents that I think was probably a good leader.  I thought it might be welcome in this thread:

" The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

- Theodore Roosevelt

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Kyle Broeker
'01 Subie 2.5RS Blue Sedan
65 STX/SMS

So, where are the Event 1 Results?

Thanks,
Rick Ruth

Rick, there is another thread here titled "Unofficial results FW Event #1" or something like that.

Peppler33CS:

Rick, there is another thread here titled "Unofficial results FW Event #1" or something like that.

Yeah, except that link doesn't go to the results (I should have mentioned that before).  Apparently the file has been pulled.  I wonder why the results aren't simply posted to the Region's website?

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

Hmm, I wonder if file factory pulls the file after so many days.  Both the results from Event 1 & 2 are making the way to the person who handles the website. 

Oakey dokey.  Thanks.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

rtp.rick:

Yeah, except that link doesn't go to the results (I should have mentioned that before).  Apparently the file has been pulled.  I wonder why the results aren't simply posted to the Region's website?

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

Rick-

We are in the process of building a new website and getting a new webmaster up and running, so things are not perfectly smooth right now.  I cut the event 1 results into that thread here, about 4 replies down.

Bill

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Bill Headlee
1970 Boss 302 CP car DONE!
Writeup in Ford Builder magazine

Got it, Bill, thanks.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth