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ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

Last post 06-10-2008, 7:30 PM by mwood. 18 replies.
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  •  05-14-2008, 1:22 PM 300260

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    ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    I just purchased an R-Package 94 Miata for E-Stock.  What do I do to set it up?  Please include budget options as well as best options.

    Sway bar -
    End links - 
    Shocks -
    Wheel (Size and brand) -
    Tire (Size and brand) -
    Weight reduction allowed -
    Allignment -
    Mazda replacement parts -


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  •  05-14-2008, 1:48 PM 300267 in reply to 300260

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    You might want to search for a Miata forum that has an autoxing section. 
    Jer
    #196 ES
    #187 SS retired
  •  05-14-2008, 2:11 PM 300275 in reply to 300267

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    Kraig, go to www.miata.net

    If you need a "second opinion" on the set up, let me know...I presently have nothing to drive, until the XP car is figured out.

    Mike


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  •  05-14-2008, 7:37 PM 300375 in reply to 300275

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    mwood:

    Kraig, go to www.miata.net

    If you need a "second opinion" on the set up, let me know...I presently have nothing to drive, until the XP car is figured out.

    Mike

     

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  •  05-14-2008, 10:06 PM 300406 in reply to 300260

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    sway bar - Racing Beat hollow bar 1.125 inch

    endlinks - mazdaspeed endlinks or for the best gear heads garage end links

     shocks - koni OTS

    if you can find some hollow spoke OEM wheels that would be awesome.

    tire - not sure on this one, if this is a daily driver as well go with the falken azenis.  Otherwise ask somewhere about r compounds, I think you can use those in es.. i think.  *goes to read the rules

    not much weight reduction is allowed, just run what you brung.

    I'm not an alignment expert, sorry.

     

    for replacement parts read here...

    http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=163633

     

    that's a pretty basic stock set up.  the R package miatas are currently cleaning house in e stock so you have a good starting point. Most of this stuff can be found here...

     

    http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda/Miata-Performance-Parts.html

     

    good luck. 


     

  •  05-14-2008, 10:49 PM 300416 in reply to 300406

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    The lightest wheels are the 92 or 93(cannot remember what year the LE was in) LE BBS wheels if you can find them 8.xlbs

     

    and 225/50/14 r comp and drive fast. 


    Kerry Coughlin
    1994 Miata R
    197 STS2
    Cenla Region SCCA
  •  05-14-2008, 11:11 PM 300423 in reply to 300416

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    unfortunately thats an urban myth started by someone on miata.net and put into print. they are about 9.5-10 lbs   the ce-28n volks are the lightest with the SSR and K1-TS coming in next...then the bbs then the oem hollow spokes. the SSR and kosei have to be machined to be legal however.

    :)

    Kerry are u going back to ES prep?   if so lemmie know :) 


    David Hedderick
    Pearland (Houston), TX
    01 CRG YZ125 (FOR SALE! $2500)
    08 Mazda 3s
    02 Mazda Protege (automatic tow vehicle)
    92 Miata SE - Fun half-arsed STS2 Car
  •  05-14-2008, 11:26 PM 300427 in reply to 300423

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    ES for 2009 for meWink

    Kerry Coughlin
    1994 Miata R
    197 STS2
    Cenla Region SCCA
  •  05-15-2008, 12:31 AM 300433 in reply to 300375

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    TeamRX8:
    mwood:

    Kraig, go to www.miata.net

    If you need a "second opinion" on the set up, let me know...I presently have nothing to drive, until the XP car is figured out.

    Mike

     

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    OK, I have nice friends who let me drive their cars Wink

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  •  05-15-2008, 9:38 AM 300467 in reply to 300406

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    MiataAndrew:

    sway bar - Racing Beat hollow bar 1.125 inch

    endlinks - mazdaspeed endlinks or for the best gear heads garage end links

     

     

    Yeah, pretty much what he said.

    Racing Beat hollow front swaybar - make sure the bushings don't bind, which they commonly do.  You might need to shave a bit off the bottom of the bushings or use washers/spacers under the brackets.

    Stock endlinks work okay, but shorter adjustable ones allow you to increase the swaybar to control arm clearance as well as eliminate any preload.

    Heavy duty Mazdaspeed swaybar mounting brackets are good insurance since the stock ones can crack.

    Shocks - Koni Sports are the bang-for-the-buck standard.  I had mine revalved by Predator Motorsport since they needed a rebuild anyway and liked them a lot.  There are other options too, like the more expensive double adjustable Konis, custom-valved Bilsteins, or Penskes.

    Wheels - Volks or SSRs are super light and very expensive.  For stock wheels, the R-pkg hollow spokes are light and pretty cheap.  The '94 M-edition wheels are a hair lighter than those, but harder to find.  The '93LE BBS wheels are even lighter, but tend to be rare and expensive.  I think the Kosei K1-TS was another option for a light and cheap wheel, but you have to machine a little bit from the hub face to make the offset legal.

    Tires - R-compound 225/50-14.  They look ridiculous on a 6" rim, but they work.  The Hoosier A6 and Kumho V710 are the top choices and are both available in that size.  I preferred the feel of the Hoosiers -- more precise turn-in -- but the V710s seemed to have more ultimate grip in the sweepers and launched better.  The V710s probably last longer, but for me either tire would heat cycle out before they corded.

    Brake pads - using stock fronts and a more aggressive rear pad will help reduce front wheel lockup and help trail-braking.  I used Axxis Ultimates in the rear, but there are lots of other options too.

    Exhaust - you can save a little weight here.  The Borla makes good power.  The Enthuza also looks like a very good design.  To save more weight you could even remove the rear muffler and replace it with a turn-down or straight pipe, which sounds like crap but saves weight.

    Alignment - As much front camber as you can get, and a little front toe-out.  You generally also want caster as high as you can get, but might be able to gain a bit of camber by giving up some caster, or you might want to adjust caster for feel and steering effort.  On the non-power steering R-pkg cars, a lot of caster greatly increases steering effort.  On the rear, some say to run 0.5 degrees more camber than the front and some say to run the same as the front.  I think it depends on how much front camber you can get.  On my '96R I could get -2 up front and I also ran -2 at the rear.  On other Miatas that could only get about -1 up front I liked about -1.5 at the rear.  I like rear toe at zero, but I tend to like a fairly loose setup.  A little rear toe-in will make the car more stable and forgiving, but zero toe helps me get on the gas sooner in a turn without pushing wide.

     

  •  05-15-2008, 12:06 PM 300509 in reply to 300467

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    I am running 205/55/14 V710s on my ES Miata. I have about 115 runs on them and they still have a lot of life left. Both of the tread grooves are visible. I think that 200 runs won't be out of the question.
  •  05-15-2008, 3:30 PM 300556 in reply to 300509

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    mball:
    I am running 205/55/14 V710s on my ES Miata. I have about 115 runs on them and they still have a lot of life left. Both of the tread grooves are visible. I think that 200 runs won't be out of the question.
    Are you serious ????? It's unbelievable ! Surprise
    Michel Levesque

    1985 Porsche 944 - ES
  •  05-15-2008, 3:39 PM 300557 in reply to 300556

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    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    What is unbelievable?  205/55 instead of 225/50.  Or about 200 runs?
    "If you don't do it this year, you'll be one year older when you do." - Warren Miller
  •  05-15-2008, 11:38 PM 300621 in reply to 300557

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    gaha:
    What is unbelievable?  205/55 instead of 225/50.  Or about 200 runs?
    The number of runs he's doing ! His tires must have been plated with rock !
    Michel Levesque

    1985 Porsche 944 - ES
  •  06-05-2008, 1:58 PM 304074 in reply to 300621

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    If my math is correct I have about the same number of runs on my 225/14s.  My car is the club WHORE and there is always two to three of us running it 5 to 6 times an event.  Plus several out of region races, and two track days.  Its about time for a new set though.  My street tires are going to last for ever.
  •  06-09-2008, 9:10 AM 304487 in reply to 304074

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    I now have 130 runs on my V710s and they are just passing the wear bars in the grooves. I think that they have lost some of their grip since new but, it is not a big difference.
  •  06-09-2008, 1:16 PM 304559 in reply to 304487

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    I typically got about 70-80 runs out of my 710s. They are only fast for the first 30 runs. After that they start to slow down. If they are more than a year old and were not stored inside  the whole time then they are hard and have slowed down.

    If someone is only getting 85-90% out of the tire when new they will not feel any slower at 120 runs than they did at 5 runs. 

    Surface and driver are the 2 factors in tire life. I run all my tires hard and drive on an abrasive asphalt surface. Minis get about 50 runs to cord. The Boxster gets about 50 runs to cord and the STIs get about 40-50 to cord on our surface. It sticks pretty well, but wear is more than most places.
     


    David Hedderick
    Pearland (Houston), TX
    01 CRG YZ125 (FOR SALE! $2500)
    08 Mazda 3s
    02 Mazda Protege (automatic tow vehicle)
    92 Miata SE - Fun half-arsed STS2 Car
  •  06-10-2008, 7:55 AM 304703 in reply to 304559

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    You guys are lucky.  I'm only getting 60 runs or so on A6s in my MR2.  But the front and rears are cording around there.   Crying
    Jer
    #196 ES
    #187 SS retired
  •  06-10-2008, 7:30 PM 304855 in reply to 304703

    Re: ES 94 Miata R-Package Setup

    There's so much involved in tire wear, that it is kind of pointless to generalize. Driving style has a lot to do with it, for sure. Those that tend to overdrive the car will grind off more rubber, more quickly. Those that are more subtle will wear less...so, some tires will look better after a bunch of runs...BUT, heat cycles are heat cycles, if you catch my drift...Wink
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