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TimSmith:

Let me throw this out there.  I posted this in another forum.  BTW, these started as an average of 5/32nds.  Don't ask about the "average".

these are pictures of my Toyos. I am not disappointed. So far, I have a total of 148 runs on them. 112 in the total dry, 30 in damp/drying conditions, 6 in the pouring rain. I think there are 75+ left. 24 more will be taken at the Tour this weekend so I'll have a better idea then. FWIW, I think they feel better right now than when I first got them.

Oh, and weren't these the tires that won you the PS DX Triple Crown (Super Challenge, Honda Tuner Challenge, & Honda Showdown) this past weekend?

So much for all the fast guys switching "back" to Bridgestone.

I think Glagola had it right.  You can win on either of these makes. 

--Andy  

Then why didn't you?

 

-MK 

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Mike King
88 CRX Si - STS2 #99
Jacksonville, FL
2007, 2008 STS2 Solo National Champion
Team Bridgestone - King Motorsports - A-Spec Racing - Renspeed

Andy Hollis:

TimSmith:

Let me throw this out there.  I posted this in another forum.  BTW, these started as an average of 5/32nds.  Don't ask about the "average".

these are pictures of my Toyos. I am not disappointed. So far, I have a total of 148 runs on them. 112 in the total dry, 30 in damp/drying conditions, 6 in the pouring rain. I think there are 75+ left. 24 more will be taken at the Tour this weekend so I'll have a better idea then. FWIW, I think they feel better right now than when I first got them.

Oh, and weren't these the tires that won you the PS DX Triple Crown (Super Challenge, Honda Tuner Challenge, & Honda Showdown) this past weekend?

So much for all the fast guys switching "back" to Bridgestone.

I think Glagola had it right.  You can win on either of these makes. 

--Andy  

Yes, hence the 2" "slick" area on the outside shoulder of the fronts.  Both makes of tire are fast, you just have to drive a little differently on each.  I like the Bridgestones as well.

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125 STS '89 Civic Si
RPGproduction.com/Toyo Tires/Moton/NABC-Ethanol Racing

Andy,

You said you have the 205s, are you having any rubbing issues? I'm just wondering if they are too wide to fit under a Civic wheel well.

Thanks,

Brian 

SoloTiresdotCom:

Then why didn't you?

 

-MK 

After running EL Toro, Arkansas and FTW, I am a used to much more open courses, and the car is setup for that these days.  I changed the setup on every Saturday run and it was still not good enough for the tightness of the turns and to avoid all the bottoming out.  Then I tried something drastic overnight which helped more, but still not enough.  In the end, I gave up on trying to make it any better.  Heyward swears that the Tour course will not be so tight and that it will be on the smoother part of the lot.  We shall see.

That...and I suck.  

--Andy

 

Macspeed:

Andy,

You said you have the 205s, are you having any rubbing issues? I'm just wondering if they are too wide to fit under a Civic wheel well.

Thanks,

Brian

I only had them on for two runs and only on the front.  I think I heard some rubbing at full lock when maneuvering in stage lanes, but did not notice anything on course.  They are mounted on 15x7.5 SSR (ET43).  I'll know more on Friday.

--Andy 

Macspeed:

Andy,

You said you have the 205s, are you having any rubbing issues? I'm just wondering if they are too wide to fit under a Civic wheel well.

Thanks,

Brian

My set is on 15x7.5 +40 wheels, and I didn't have any rubbing issues.

-Brian        
 

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Brian Bell - Atlanta Region
197 STX '97 BMW 328is
189 STS '89 Civic Si (now my wife's)

I'm using 15X7s so I should have even less of a chance than you guys. Is there any other 15X7.5 available new other than the Rota Slipstream?

Andy, I take it your SSR wheels are not available anymore? 

 Thanks,

Brian 

Macspeed:

I'm using 15X7s so I should have even less of a chance than you guys. Is there any other 15X7.5 available new other than the Rota Slipstream?

Andy, I take it your SSR wheels are not available anymore?

Thanks,

Brian

949Racing sells some 6UL ones. 

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Brian Bell - Atlanta Region
197 STX '97 BMW 328is
189 STS '89 Civic Si (now my wife's)

Macspeed:

Andy, I take it your SSR wheels are not available anymore?

Correct.

And it took major conniving/begging to get this set after my originals got stolen last summer.

--Andy

 

BrianGT:

Macspeed:

Andy,

You said you have the 205s, are you having any rubbing issues? I'm just wondering if they are too wide to fit under a Civic wheel well.

Thanks,

Brian

My set is on 15x7.5 +40 wheels, and I didn't have any rubbing issues.

-Brian        
 

Ditto here. Though it did require a 1mm spacer in ther rear to clear the 15x7.5 +40's.

I might as well throw in some cold weather data from this past weekend up in CPR region. The event was in cold/rain conditions, highs in the upper 60's. I ended up running in drying conditions but was able to get 1 mostly dry run in the 195/50R15 bridgestones and 2 more runs right after than in the toyo's. I ended up about 7 tenths faster on the R1R's however that clould have been due to additional drying on the course.   During the fun runs at the end of the day it was completely dry and sunny and I was 2 seconds up on the 1 hour earlier bridgestone, which was in mostly dry/cloudy conditions. Unfortunately it rained as we were switching back to the Bridgestones, so we were unable to see if we could match the R1R times.... Sometimes the weather just sucks :(

I think the R1R's are by far a better "cold" tire. While definitely more numb they have much more grip when cool. As a note, we did not have to spray the tires at all and were doing pretty much back to back runs with only a few min to change drivers and check pressures. This is an idication of how cool it was at the CPR event. Atlanta will be totally different weather and Matt's notes about heat will come into play.

thx

Ian

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--CRX Addict
--Recovered Mini Addict

This being my first season in STS I'd like to say holy smokes this is a fun class!!!

Having tried both the Toyo's and Bridgestone's going by feel alone the Bridgestone's are better in the dry. The Bridgestone's take more abuse and all and all feel sharp and precise. The Toyo's are numb and if abused wear like race tires. I know that Tim and Matt are getting decent life out of their Toyo's but I have personally seen them melt away when driven past the limit: 4/32's to 1/32 in 15 runs (on a 90 second course).

I'd like to thank Brian Bell for letting me drive his hatch and for the time and effort he has put into testing both tires and set-up's to get the car where it is now. The car is a pleasure to drive and I look forward to more close battles like the last couple weekends!
 

 

 

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189 STS 1989 Civic Si

Marc Osgood:

This being my first season in STS I'd like to say holy smokes this is a fun class!!!

Having tried both the Toyo's and Bridgestone's going by feel alone the Bridgestone's are better in the dry. The Bridgestone's take more abuse and all and all feel sharp and precise. The Toyo's are numb and if abused wear like race tires. I know that Tim and Matt are getting decent life out of their Toyo's but I have personally seen them melt away when driven past the limit: 4/32's to 1/32 in 15 runs (on a 90 second course).

I'd like to thank Brian Bell for letting me drive his hatch and for the time and effort he has put into testing both tires and set-up's to get the car where it is now. The car is a pleasure to drive and I look forward to more close battles like the last couple weekends!
 

 

 

Too bad you will be driving my car in September.

Did you get my text?  Also, you suck! 

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125 STS '89 Civic Si
RPGproduction.com/Toyo Tires/Moton/NABC-Ethanol Racing

TimSmith:

Too bad you will be driving my car in September.

Did you get my text?  Also, you suck! 

If you go back to the Bridgestones...and Brian's car isn't faster

Got it, thanks! As bad as you last weekend

 

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189 STS 1989 Civic Si

Marc Osgood:

TimSmith:

Too bad you will be driving my car in September.

Did you get my text?  Also, you suck! 

If you go back to the Bridgestones...and Brian's car isn't faster

Got it, thanks! As bad as you last weekend

 

I thought you wanted to drive mine because you couldn't drive his. You still suck!

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125 STS '89 Civic Si
RPGproduction.com/Toyo Tires/Moton/NABC-Ethanol Racing

Anyone catch the latest Tire Rack newsletter? They have the Kumho XS due in August. I wonder what that works out to in Kumho time.

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David Avard
89 Honda Civic Si black (STS)
07 Mazda 3s (HS?)

Davard:

Anyone catch the latest Tire Rack newsletter? They have the Kumho XS due in August. I wonder what that works out to in Kumho time.

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Once you go Mac, you never go back!

Davard:

Anyone catch the latest Tire Rack newsletter? They have the Kumho XS due in August. I wonder what that works out to in Kumho time.

 

Means they should be here just in time to miss next years deadline

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Once you go Mac, you never go back!

Davard:

Anyone catch the latest Tire Rack newsletter? They have the Kumho XS due in August. I wonder what that works out to in Kumho time.

Does anyone really care about the Kumho XS, since it isn't legal for competition this year?

That can be worried about next season, and since the XS seems to be targeted as a replacement for the MX, I don't have much faith in it.

I am still pissed at Kumho for not releasing the 245/45ZR16 v710...

I am looking forward to the new Bridgestone RE-11 for next season more than any other upcoming tire right now.

-Brian
 

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Brian Bell - Atlanta Region
197 STX '97 BMW 328is
189 STS '89 Civic Si (now my wife's)

BrianGT:

I am looking forward to the new Bridgestone RE-11 for next season more than any other upcoming tire right now.

-Brian
 

 

Me too!  I found this Japanese tire size list for the RE-11's, There's some pretty interesting sizes.  It will be interesting to see which sizes actually make it here. I am hoping the 225/45/16 is one of them.

Tire Size 275/30R19    92W 275/30R19 92W 275/35R19    96W 275/35R19 96W 245/35R19    89W 245/35R19 89W 265/35R18    93W 265/35R18 93W 255/35R18    90W 255/35R18 90W 245/40R18    93W 245/40R18 93W 235/40R18    91W 235/40R18 91W 225/40R18    88W 225/40R18 88W 245/45R18    96W 245/45R18 96W 225/45R18    91W 225/45R18 91W 255/40R17    94W 255/40R17 94W 245/40R17    91W 245/40R17 91W 235/40R17    90W 235/40R17 90W 215/40R17    83W 215/40R17 83W 245/45R17    95W 245/45R17 95W 235/45R17    94W 235/45R17 94W 225/45R17    91W 225/45R17 91W 215/45R17    87W 215/45R17 87W 205/45R17    84W 205/45R17 84W 225/45R16    89W 225/45R16 89W 215/45R16    86W 215/45R16 86W 205/45R16    83W 205/45R16 83W 225/50R16    92V 225/50R16 92V 205/50R16    87V 205/50R16 87V 205/55R16    91V 205/55R16 91V 205/50R15    86V 205/50R15 86V 195/50R15    82V 195/50R15 82V 165/50R15    73V 165/50R15 73V 195/55R15    85V 195/55R15 85V 165/55R14    72V 165/55R14 72V 185/60R14    82H 185/60R14 82H

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STS class '96 Saturn SC-2