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Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

Last post 05-27-2008, 3:40 PM by logrmyk. 10 replies.
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  •  05-09-2008, 10:59 AM 299330

    Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    I raced a vette the other day that had the flip up headlights replaced with plastic and some small light that looked like a tail light. He was racing in SM2. I don't know the year but it originally came with flip ups. Is that legal and if it is, can I do something like that on 90 240SX?
    I may be a novice but I'm a novice with Hoosiers and a Turbo.
  •  05-09-2008, 12:56 PM 299351 in reply to 299330

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    I did a search and could not find anything that makes this legal. The stock [lights free rule] is only if there is not a weight savings, which there clearly is. Do the lights actually need to work. I can't find anything except the [all road going equipment] in SM. Nothing says they don't have to work of what I have found. Sorry if this is an old question that has been covered and I just can't find. Mike
    I may be a novice but I'm a novice with Hoosiers and a Turbo.
  •  05-09-2008, 2:14 PM 299371 in reply to 299351

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    I also cannot find any rule which permits this as you have described it.

    Perhaps one of our more experienced members would weigh in here?


    Charlie Thompson
    '04 JCW Cooper [STX]
    NER Cannon Fodder
  •  05-09-2008, 9:23 PM 299452 in reply to 299371

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    As far as I can tell it's not even legal in Prepared.

    I've got a letter into the SEB/PAC regarding this topic in Prepared. Here's what I wrote:

    17.2.T states:

    "T. All headlights, front parking lights, and front signal lights may be removed. If removed, the openings shall be covered with a wire mesh screen or panel of fiberglass, plexiglass, metal or other nonflammable material. Ducts from headlights, front parking lights, and front signal lights in the front of the car may be used for ducting air to the engine, front brakes, and/or oil cooler(s). Any opening used for ducting may not be relocated. These ducts may pass through interior panels for this purpose. The cross section area of a single duct shall not exceed the cross sectional area of the original (single) headlight."

    I'd like a clarification as this applies to cars with pop-up headlights like first generation Mazda Miatas, first generation Mazda RX-7s, Fiat X1-9s and other cars with hidden headlights.

    Is the headlight covering allowed to be made of an alternate material like section 17.2.S allows for front fenders and hoods and 17.2.G allows for bumper covers? If so, may it be incorporated into one of the adjacent body components or must it remain separate? See photo integrated. jpg for an example of a headlight door and hood made as one piece.

    Although Prepared doesn't fall back on Stock or Street Prepared rules that prohibit the headlight doors from being in a position not achievable by the stock controls, may the headlight door be opened to any angle, or must it remain in a fully open or fully closed position? See photo Alternatehalfopen.jpg for an example of a car with headlight doors in an unstock position by being half open and only one door is open. Additionally, the doors are made of an alternate material and the opening is not screened (it has been screened since the photo was taken).

    May the headlight door be removed to create the duct? May it be kept closed and have the duct pass through it? Photos throughdoor.jpg, throughdoor2.jpg and nacathroughdoor.jpg illustrate different openings through the closed headlight door.

    Must the duct created by an open headlight door be the size of the headlight lens, or may it be as large as the opening of the headlight door? In the case of a first generation Mazda Miata, is the duct restricted to the area of a 7" circular headlight (38 square inches)? Or may it be the size of the 8"x8" square door opening (64 square inches)?  See openheadlight.jpg for a picture of a stock, opened headlight.

    Open, alternate headlight cover

    NACA duct through the cover

     Stock headlight in open position


    Headlight sized hole through the closed cover

     

    Headlight sized NACA duct through the closed cover 

     

    Headlight cover integrated into hood


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  •  05-10-2008, 10:01 AM 299497 in reply to 299452

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    I appreciate your help but hope someone else has some input also. The hole is covered by plexi but since that is legal in prepared, not SM, I doubt replacing the doors is legal. I have no intention of protesting, I just want to do it too, if it is legal. That Miata looks tough.
    I may be a novice but I'm a novice with Hoosiers and a Turbo.
  •  05-10-2008, 11:19 AM 299502 in reply to 299497

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    Just some friendly advice...

    Did you beat the person driving the Covette with the "Corvette Summer" headlight treatment?  If not, you lost for reasons other then the headlight swap.  If you beat him, save you're discussion about legality for a more important issue (pick your battles).

     TIFWIW

     


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    John Coffey
    http://www.betamotorsports.com
  •  05-10-2008, 2:25 PM 299513 in reply to 299502

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    We beat him once. I would like to know for my own car as well. If it is legal, I would like to do the same thing. The vette is SM prepared a lot better than my 240.  Just to be close to the vette is good but we are thinking of trying to go to Nat. this year and I want to be completely legal. His car is approx. twice as powerful but mine seems to turn pretty well and is somewhat lighter. The vette isn't the problem, but weight out front on my car is bad and I want to get rid of all I can. I have wondered about the bumper support also. Lots of 240sx guys cut most of it away to fit a huge intercooler in. Is that OK?  What if you do that and then remove the intercooler? Do you need to put all the support back in or was it illegal in the first place?  Hope this stuff isn't too basic. I don't quite understand some of this stuff.  Reading the rules is one thing but then, at the races, I see things that don't seem right but have been that way long enough to be accepted. Thanks for any and all input. Mike
    I may be a novice but I'm a novice with Hoosiers and a Turbo.
  •  05-22-2008, 11:53 PM 301872 in reply to 299330

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    Its absoIutely legal and you want to know more

    http://usautolighting.com

  •  05-23-2008, 10:55 AM 301926 in reply to 301872

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    We are talking legal for SM, not legal in general.
    I may be a novice but I'm a novice with Hoosiers and a Turbo.
  •  05-24-2008, 6:48 AM 302060 in reply to 301926

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    logrmyk:
    We are talking legal for SM, not legal in general.

     totally not legal mod for sm. remember, if the rulebook does not say you can do it, you can not. 


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  •  05-27-2008, 3:40 PM 302484 in reply to 302060

    Re: Is replacing headlight flip up doors and motors legal?

    I'm with Rodney.
    I may be a novice but I'm a novice with Hoosiers and a Turbo.
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