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How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

Last post 09-22-2008, 4:53 PM by solo-x. 171 replies.
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  •  05-19-2008, 11:07 AM 300980 in reply to 300957

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Annnd there you have it. Sticker Hoosiers seem to make a huge difference into how fast the ITR is. Funny how that works. Chris and I are gonna have to step up our game this year. I've got to figure out how to do those spin or win runs (but keep it clean Smile). I'm getting slightly annoyed at coming in with a fast time and honestly having no idea how I managed it. I will say that adding the extra HP and big change in throttle response has given both of us some things to work on with controlling that right foot. The car doesn't drive like a big, fat Miata anymore.

    -Mike
    Mike Shields
    1993 BMW 325is | 92/192 DSP
  •  05-19-2008, 11:15 AM 300983 in reply to 298591

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    solo-x:
    Rodney, those tires I bought off of you? Yeah, finally threw them away. I put 30 runs on them. Good till the last drop!

     

    i will have another set after friday... want them?


    Hi! I'm Rodney. "Hi Rodney!" I'm addicted to Solo....
  •  05-19-2008, 12:14 PM 301006 in reply to 300983

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Rodney:

    solo-x:
    Rodney, those tires I bought off of you? Yeah, finally threw them away. I put 30 runs on them. Good till the last drop!

     

    i will have another set after friday... want them?

    Nah, over the next couple of months I may be the one offering 30-40 run tires up for sale. The set we're on right now are coming off to make way for fresh rubber to run at the Devens tour. We'll run that set at the DC Pro. Then fresh rubber for the Toledo Pro which will probably be run at the FL Pro as well. Then fresh rubber for Nationals. Of course, this is assuming that the weird tire wear issue has truly been resolved with the corrected tire pressures. After what I learned using a probe type pyrometer this weekend, I need to recant on my previous comments regarding a pyrometer. Maybe not a tool to use for fine tuning things, but can help you figure out if your WAY off on something!

    Yeah, go figure, fresh rubber sticks way better then year old, slightly corded, flipped, "done" tires. You and Chris will be on fresh rubber for the Tour right? So that'll be the real telling tale. If old Hoosiers are .5 quicker, then I still have a bit of work ahead of me!

     


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  05-19-2008, 1:30 PM 301032 in reply to 301006

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Not sure yet. Are < 12 run Nats tires stored in bags over the winter new enough to match fresh rubber? What I have on the car is now up to over 60 runs. They're fine for local events, and I wish I had a second set of wheels so I didn't have tire mounting costs to swap around.
    Mike Shields
    1993 BMW 325is | 92/192 DSP
  •  05-19-2008, 3:13 PM 301058 in reply to 301032

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Mike Shields:
    Not sure yet. Are < 12 run Nats tires stored in bags over the winter new enough to match fresh rubber? What I have on the car is now up to over 60 runs. They're fine for local events, and I wish I had a second set of wheels so I didn't have tire mounting costs to swap around.

    You and me both. Of course, a second set of fronts for me is much cheaper then a full set of wheels for your car.

    *edit* According to Hoosier, the A6's performance isn't supposed to fall off very fast unless your car happens to abuse tires or you under inflate them. Performance should stabilize after the first couple of runs. To hell if I know though, I'm a n00b when it comes to real tires.


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  05-19-2008, 5:09 PM 301080 in reply to 301058

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    I think I'm going to have to consider the source for this info when making a decision Stick out tongue
    Mike Shields
    1993 BMW 325is | 92/192 DSP
  •  05-19-2008, 5:17 PM 301084 in reply to 301058

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    solo-x:

    Performance should stabilize after the first couple of runs. To hell if I know though, I'm a n00b when it comes to real tires.

     

    imho, the a6's are fast out of the box. i do one easy run on them then store them. next time out, they are perfect immediately. Super Angry 


    Hi! I'm Rodney. "Hi Rodney!" I'm addicted to Solo....
  •  05-19-2008, 6:01 PM 301097 in reply to 300957

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    solo-x:
    We still weren't happy with the balance of the car, but suspected tire pressure might have been a contributing factor. When we first started running the car we found that the front tires were wearing oddly. Suspecting that we were low on tire pressure we raised the front pressures. We didn't really check them after that when we were on the test course, assuming that they had stabilized. They hadn't, and actually grew a couple of pounds more. So Sunday we started out with the car the way it was on Saturday, just with a closer eye on the tire pressures.

     

    What kind of tire pressures are you running in the front and rear now? 

  •  05-19-2008, 10:35 PM 301173 in reply to 301080

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Mike Shields:
    I think I'm going to have to consider the source for this info when making a decision Stick out tongue

    Well, if you're gonna use those 12 run tires, now would be the time to do it!


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  05-27-2008, 10:12 PM 302571 in reply to 301173

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    A little update. I'm currently investigating options on freshening up the motor. I bought the car knowing it used a touch of oil. Turns out, when you start auto crossing it again, it uses a bit more then a touch. I'm up to 3/4qrt of oil for a 10 run event. Including driving too and from the event I've been using 1/2 to 1qrt of oil every weekend. The car hasn't gotten bad enough to smoke at idle, but it isn't far from it. It now smokes on acceleration and smokes heavily on decel. I'm planning on a poor man's rebuild, reringing the motor in the car to hold me over until winter when I have time to yank it and freshen it up for real. Looking into getting the head done while its all apart, but the guy to do that kinda work up here is on vacation this week and has a back log of work because of it. So, that isn't looking good. Getting the oil usage under control should still be worth a handful of ponies at any rate, plus I won't be embarassed by my misquito killer anymore.

    Second update, the car has eaten its first axle. I'm lucky that I found it though as it wasn't an outer joint that I routinely inspect. It was the inner joint/bearing on the driver's side. I happened on it while chasing the source of a different noise from the front end. Quite odd for the inner to fail, though it looks like at some point someone pulled the outer half shaft away from the inner, so that may have damaged things. I haven't lunched an outer joint yet, but I'm starting to increase my search for good used axles to bring as spares.

    Devens tour next. A new set of fronts going on the car. Hoping to keep the BMW guys honest and claw my way onto the podium while declaring jihad on the Devens misquito and black fly populace.


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  05-28-2008, 1:45 AM 302615 in reply to 302571

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    We thank you for the jihad...
    Mike Shields
    1993 BMW 325is | 92/192 DSP
  •  05-28-2008, 8:40 AM 302629 in reply to 302571

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    solo-x:

    A little update. I'm currently investigating options on freshening up the motor. I bought the car knowing it used a touch of oil. Turns out, when you start auto crossing it again, it uses a bit more then a touch. I'm up to 3/4qrt of oil for a 10 run event. Including driving too and from the event I've been using 1/2 to 1qrt of oil every weekend. The car hasn't gotten bad enough to smoke at idle, but it isn't far from it. It now smokes on acceleration and smokes heavily on decel. I'm planning on a poor man's rebuild, reringing the motor in the car to hold me over until winter when I have time to yank it and freshen it up for real. Looking into getting the head done while its all apart, but the guy to do that kinda work up here is on vacation this week and has a back log of work because of it. So, that isn't looking good. Getting the oil usage under control should still be worth a handful of ponies at any rate, plus I won't be embarassed by my misquito killer anymore.

     Something is definitely wrong when you consume more oil per mile than a boosted 240sx with an exhaust drawn evac system.....   The good news is you DO know where to find an ITR motor that isn't smoking Angel

  •  05-28-2008, 10:20 PM 302811 in reply to 302571

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    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Is your PCV system routed back into the intake? If so, try a catchcan before you tear the motor down. We ran into a similar problem when we started spinning our DSP subie motor up around ITR revlimits.....
    Jay Storm
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  •  05-29-2008, 3:04 PM 302883 in reply to 302629

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Well that sucks. Dana can't get the head done in time. I'm going to try some tips that Rodney gave me and see if I can limp it by. At least it gives me a good excuse!

    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  05-29-2008, 3:20 PM 302887 in reply to 302883

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    So not for Devens, but in between any other of the upcoming events?
    Mike Shields
    1993 BMW 325is | 92/192 DSP
  •  05-29-2008, 3:25 PM 302889 in reply to 302571

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    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Oh please Nate, you don't know nothing about mosquito control - yer an amateur !

    20 ESP, DSM smoke bomb 

     

    solo-x:

    A little update. I'm currently investigating options on freshening up the motor. I bought the car knowing it used a touch of oil. Turns out, when you start auto crossing it again, it uses a bit more then a touch. I'm up to 3/4qrt of oil for a 10 run event. Including driving too and from the event I've been using 1/2 to 1qrt of oil every weekend. The car hasn't gotten bad enough to smoke at idle, but it isn't far from it. It now smokes on acceleration and smokes heavily on decel. I'm planning on a poor man's rebuild, reringing the motor in the car to hold me over until winter when I have time to yank it and freshen it up for real. Looking into getting the head done while its all apart, but the guy to do that kinda work up here is on vacation this week and has a back log of work because of it. So, that isn't looking good. Getting the oil usage under control should still be worth a handful of ponies at any rate, plus I won't be embarassed by my misquito killer anymore.

    Second update, the car has eaten its first axle. I'm lucky that I found it though as it wasn't an outer joint that I routinely inspect. It was the inner joint/bearing on the driver's side. I happened on it while chasing the source of a different noise from the front end. Quite odd for the inner to fail, though it looks like at some point someone pulled the outer half shaft away from the inner, so that may have damaged things. I haven't lunched an outer joint yet, but I'm starting to increase my search for good used axles to bring as spares.

    Devens tour next. A new set of fronts going on the car. Hoping to keep the BMW guys honest and claw my way onto the podium while declaring jihad on the Devens misquito and black fly populace.

  •  05-29-2008, 3:25 PM 302890 in reply to 302571

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    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

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  •  05-29-2008, 3:33 PM 302894 in reply to 302890

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Charles,

    Seriously, Nate is right up there with you. That is not a healthy engine.

    -Mike
    Mike Shields
    1993 BMW 325is | 92/192 DSP
  •  05-29-2008, 9:44 PM 302968 in reply to 302887

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Mike Shields:
    So not for Devens, but in between any other of the upcoming events?

    That was for after Devens and before DC. All the other events have shorter time frames because of the extra travel time. I can drop FL Pro, but I think I'll need the points. Plus I'd rather drive it then work on it, so if the oil tips Rodney gave me work and cut the oil usage to a manageable level I'll just drive the effin thing. Still has a bunch of other things that could be done to get more power on the engine I currently have and I've yet to drive it to its fullest.

    Charles, this thing makes DSM's proud.


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  05-30-2008, 10:28 AM 303031 in reply to 302968

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Pfft.  Neither of you can match my fuel/oil/tire combo.
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