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Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

Last post 05-20-2008, 11:13 PM by skeeter119. 194 replies.
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  •  05-02-2008, 3:51 PM 298227 in reply to 298205

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    moxnix:
    Has anybody that is complaining about getting no reply tried to write something recently?  I was under the impression that with the new assistant that they hired in March? (Brian Harmer) that people were actually getting responses in a decent time frame now.

     

    Wow this is my first post here. But I am the Solo Technical Assistant here at the National Office. I started at the beginning of March and since then we set it up that me and Doug both get letters sent to the SEB. I really try my best to get the letters logged, sent to the SEB and replied to the letter sender within an hour of receiving it here at the office. There are a few times when it takes longer then that but I try my best. Right now I am not getting many letters in to the SEB and so if anyone sends a letter to the SEB they will usually get a reply very quickly. I know things in the past didn't get done as quickly but Doug was a very busy man and with me here it is helping him with a lighter load and the SEB letters are getting logged a lot better now. If anyone is hesitant about sending a letter please don't be because you have my word it will not be ignored (As long as we actually get the letter and it isn't one of those "I sent my letter" but actually didn't thing).


    Brian Harmer
    SCCA Solo Technical Assistant
    Solo National Rules: http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo%20Rules/2008_Solo_Rules_2.pdf
    FastTrack: http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=78
  •  05-02-2008, 7:58 PM 298262 in reply to 298227

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    Sounds like you are already making a difference.

    Welcome to the shark tank!  Drinks


    Charlie Thompson
    '04 JCW Cooper [STX]
    NER Cannon Fodder
  •  05-03-2008, 11:13 AM 298298 in reply to 298222

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    glagola1:
    You know what's funny?  Now that I have a fully built STS2 crx, I can't imagine what it would cost to build my s2000!  Yikes.

    I was thinking the same thing but I would still immediately sell my Miata and CRX(and my right arm) to build one.


    90 Miata/89 CRX - STS2 #90/190
  •  05-03-2008, 11:48 AM 298304 in reply to 298298

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    GChambers:

    glagola1:
    You know what's funny?  Now that I have a fully built STS2 crx, I can't imagine what it would cost to build my s2000!  Yikes.

    I was thinking the same thing but I would still immediately sell my Miata and CRX(and my right arm) to build one.

    Agreed, I would love to build one too, and would sell all of my other cars to build one :) 


    89/189 STS/STX '89 Civic Si
  •  05-03-2008, 9:16 PM 298343 in reply to 298304

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    BrianGT:
    GChambers:

    glagola1:
    You know what's funny?  Now that I have a fully built STS2 crx, I can't imagine what it would cost to build my s2000!  Yikes.

    I was thinking the same thing but I would still immediately sell my Miata and CRX(and my right arm) to build one.

    Agreed, I would love to build one too, and would sell all of my other cars to build one :) 

    Aw, c'mon guys.  Crying   We're still building our CRX.

     


    Mike Snyder (little)

    Yes I still have it, 62hp at the wheels, more than I should have spent- any more questons?
  •  05-05-2008, 11:29 AM 298460 in reply to 298343

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    Geoff, Brian, did you guys write your letters?

     

  •  05-05-2008, 3:47 PM 298528 in reply to 245598

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    Catch 22:

     Which is, one last time, "Why do 2 seats and street tires mean cars need a separate class?"  It really is just that simple a question.  I swear it is.  It seems really simple and straightforward because it IS simple and straighforward.  At least until we succeed at complicating it.

    Maybe this is all dead now, but I finally read most of the thread, and aside from the occasional Cole-railment, this is what you keep going back to.  Why, why, why.

    I think you've been given the answer 'why', but you just aren't hearing it or do not like it.  At it's inception, the class was created to meet some need or request.  This is why is was created the way it was... that perceived demand was being addressed.  It's a developement thing...would it be done the same today knowing what we know now?  Maybe not, but you have to put yourself in the place a few years ago.  I don't think they were trying to create ST classes for all cars, or engineer a new category for the ages.  Sorry if you don't like it, but I think that that's the "why".  As an example of how easy it is for this all to happen, I noted that in an earlier note you pretty quickly dismissed all pony cars as not wanting to come to ST to play, so you excluded them in a 'what if' scenario.  Let's say you got your way across the board right now, do you think that might come back to haunt you as a bad decision later?  Maybe someone will be writing this same thread 5 years from now and getting upset about 'why' didn't anyone let pony cars in!  Just a thought.

    You would like to see something different, and you're asking why hasn't it been changed.  Is it safe to say that status quo will prevail unless acted upon?  At some point, someone will have to make some kind of long range decision I would imagine.  Keep adding classes to meet specific arising needs, see a need, meet it....see a need, meet it...so on.  May tend to result in a patchwork of "met needs", and not make a lot of sense to someone seeing it fresh.  Or, maybe it will have to re-thought and re-structured at some point.

    Given that, I'd be more interested in hearing about what you think the ST structure should look like in the future rather than watching your arteries hemmorage over why they are what they are right now.  What do you think ST should look like in the future?  Yes, we understand 2 seaters shouldn't need their own class, but what about everything else?  Don't want an answer here, I'm just suggesting that might make a good letter. 

     Just my personal opinions....


    Patrick Washburn
    STU Evo
    www.winghats.com
  •  05-05-2008, 4:14 PM 298536 in reply to 298528

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    Patrick Washburn:
    words....  May tend to result in a patchwork of "met needs", and not make a lot of sense to someone seeing it fresh.  words....

    You see, that's the exact scenareo we are looking at now.  Looks like all the world wants is an ST class system that resembles the other classes and doesn't exclude cars based on whacky things like seat counts.  It all comes back to street tires... sigh.  Cole was right.

  •  05-05-2008, 4:29 PM 298537 in reply to 298536

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    Is some reason the 2 seat sports cars are no't let in because nobody really knows there potential if they were tuned the the ST rules?  What about a supplementary class for A thru D stock sports cars.  The A stock s2000, c stock miata, b stock 350z and RX8 seem like they would make great competition for each other in a stu2 or something like that.  this may or may not have been discussed so I apologize for not studying this whole thread. 

    Ryan K
  •  05-05-2008, 5:21 PM 298548 in reply to 298536

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    NM

  •  05-05-2008, 6:38 PM 298557 in reply to 298536

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    glagola1:

    Looks like all the world wants is an ST class system that resembles the other classes and doesn't exclude cars based on whacky things like seat counts.  It all comes back to street tires... sigh.  Cole was right.

    It isn't just the street tires.  The rule set allows one to build an excellent handling car without jumping face first into the money pit.

  •  05-05-2008, 7:14 PM 298563 in reply to 298460

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    glagola1:

    Geoff, Brian, did you guys write your letters?

     

    I wrote that letter several times over the last few years. I'm tired of writing it.


    90 Miata/89 CRX - STS2 #90/190
  •  05-05-2008, 9:27 PM 298585 in reply to 298557

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    rallyfan555:
    It isn't just the street tires.  The rule set allows one to build an excellent handling car without jumping face first into the money pit.

    Exactly.  Instead you sorta wade in cautiously, not realizing how deep you have to go until your waste deep and still well behind the competition! 

     

    That said, I think you're right that the ST rule set seems to be a "sweet spot" in the preparation spectrum for a lot of folks, thus the anxiety about many popular cars not being able to participate. 


    Once you go Mac, you never go back!
  •  05-20-2008, 11:10 PM 301379 in reply to 298585

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    One thing I still can't understand is why STS2 doesn't permit the 2nd gen normally aspirated MR2's and the Porsche 924S / 944 who already are the Miata's opponents in E-Stock.....All these cars are affordable so the $60,000 Porsche ghost doesn't apply here !!!
    Michel Levesque

    1985 Porsche 944 - ES
  •  05-20-2008, 11:13 PM 301381 in reply to 301379

    Re: Separate ST Classes for 2 seaters... Why?

    michel944:
    One thing I still can't understand is why STS2 doesn't permit the 2nd gen normally aspirated MR2's and the Porsche 924S / 944 who already are the Miata's opponents in E-Stock.....All these cars are affordable so the $60,000 Porsche ghost doesn't apply here !!!

     

    They are not allowed because in stock the Miata has a Torsen diff and in STS2 that diff is not allowed.  Take away the diff and substitute an open diff on the 94+ cars and the 2nd gen MR2 would kill the Miatas at putting power down.  Just my $0.02. 


    Keith
    2008 Honda S2000
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