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MKE 1 (4/20/08)

Last post 05-04-2008, 9:23 AM by Toecutter. 26 replies.
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  •  04-25-2008, 9:57 AM 297045 in reply to 296935

    Re: MKE 1 (4/20/08)

    redwhale240:
    For those of you who didn't see on Sunday...  My dad was going through the fast offsets at the end of the course and the pedal went to the floor.  He was lucky enough to slow the car down before the curb.  I ran to Napa and they had the replacement.  We fixed the car and I finished my runs.  It wasn't enough to get Larry but after the brake line I'm happy to have a car thats not on a flatbed...  Back in action next week, can't wait!

    So do you think the line failed because it was rubbing the wheel, or was it a material failure?   

  •  04-25-2008, 10:58 PM 297144 in reply to 297045

    Re: MKE 1 (4/20/08)

    Early analysis leads me to believe that it was rubbing on something.  It is strange because there is black rubber rub marks for about 5 inches leading up to the burst but there is no sign of rubbing on the point where it burst.  I havn't taken a very close look at it (i live in mke and my father took the pic) but I am going to send it into goodrich (however you spellit)  and ask for there advice.  I'm sure their r&d department would like to see this.  Normally they tell you to worry about your stainless lines ruining your car, not the other way around...

    Ryan K
  •  04-26-2008, 1:44 AM 297155 in reply to 297017

    Re: MKE 1 (4/20/08)

    Toecutter:
    Jake (20CiviC02Si):
    Well let's all hope that the "Drifter" doesn't make it to the next event.... I have nothing against drifting, however, our auto-x events are not the place to "practice".

    I would be more than happy to see this guy show up again.  Don't let his rhetoric fool you.  He is not a drifter, and he is not just practicing here.  He is just a young guy that is REALLY REALLY excited because he has found a completely legal way to have fun with his car.  Other than illusions of being a drifter, how is that any different from the rest of us?  I don't want this guy to get the cold shoulder from the Milwaukee Region, and I think that Denise and Jeff handled it very well.  We may be able to convince him that he would become a better drifter by learning car control at the limits.  Yes, I know where he finished, but I think that he has some potential.

    No offense to you, however i don't believe that our auto-x events are a spot for drifting. I appreciate that he has found a legal spot to learn out to drive his car, but there is a reason why SCCA does not support the sport. Jeff tried to help the guy out by showing how to drive the 240sx on a proper racing line, however it didn't get through to him. He attempted the line for the first half of his last run, then went right back to his old habits of sliding every corner. We don't have the proper barricades to protect those  who are working on the course for drifting. I understand that in auto-x there will be the occasional spin, however they're not purposely sliding their car at every corner.

     I'm sure if he were to look, he'd find a proper organization that supports drifting. Just not our local auto-x events. I'm sure if he does shows up again and plans on drifting the entire course. He won't be there long..... If he tries to abide by the organizations rules, then i'll have no issues with him. I appreciate the will to learn how to drive your vehicle to the limit. But you must do it by the rules given to you by the organization that is hosting the event.
     


    Jake Kaminskis
    2002 Honda Civic Si STX
    SCCA MKE Region

    www.MidwestTuning.com
    www.Datatoys.com
  •  04-26-2008, 12:43 PM 297181 in reply to 297155

    Re: MKE 1 (4/20/08)

    FVSCC has some track events that have a drifting group...Its a bit north but the only venue I know north of chicago that allows drifting.

    www.Datatoys.com

  •  04-26-2008, 3:50 PM 297189 in reply to 297155

    Re: MKE 1 (4/20/08)

    No offense taken Jake.  My point was that we could try to get accept him into our sport, and not turn him away so hastily.  I did not see his last run, but if it was as you said, then I tend to agree with you.  If he intends to run with a complete disregard of the advice being afforded him, then we need to point him in another direction.  

    I would like to be able to let him know of a drifting organization in SE Wisconsin, but unfortuanaly any such organized group seems illusive to me.  Does anybody here know of one that we could suggest?


    Paul Greif
    927 STS
    2006 Hyundai Elantra GT
    (2,800 lb. nose-heavy pig)
    http://www.elantraclub.com
    http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/
  •  05-02-2008, 11:17 PM 298277 in reply to 297189

    Re: MKE 1 (4/20/08)

    The "drifter" as we seem to be calling him was talked to. To steal a line from "Mike Bolton", I'm calling him the "No-Talent Ass Clown."

    "NTAC" was running at the same time as Bill and I and I was not ready to handle dealing with him in between our runs. Jeff and Denise spoke to him. They told him that what he was doing was unacceptable and no one at the event was impressed by drifting, so he may as well stop. Jeff also took a run in his car and despite taking 25-50% of the course to get control of the car, he beat the guys best time by over 6 seconds. "NTAC" took last in R by over 2 seconds, last on index and was pretty much the laughing stock of the event. He DNF'd nearly every run and his car was a P-O-S. As we all know from the movies, real drivers have body kits and JDM women with painted on bikinis standing around them at all times. I recall him having steel wheels and some peach fuzz.

    I also recall someone looking very much like him attempting to skip line in registration. I cannot pin-point it on him as people look the same early in the morning, but I am pretty sure. I would LOVE to see where/when he worked and see if he did anything other than remove the lint from his crack. I also recall someone telling me that he was bragging to his friends on just attending the event to practice drifting.

    That being said, I am not aware of anyone telling him that he is not welcome back. If he returns, it will be on a very short leash.

    Milwaukee Region autocrosses are not to be used for practice/learning drifting. People can have fun with their cars as much as they want but when someone jeopardizes our event site, our course workers, they get to meet me (with Mr. Frank and one of his ""friends"" at my side).


    ~Sam Karp~
    1994 Mazda Miata R, ES
    SCCA-Milwaukee
  •  05-04-2008, 9:23 AM 298353 in reply to 298277

    Re: MKE 1 (4/20/08)

    Well Sam, I am going to refrain from commenting more on "the drifter" issue because the discussion has debased to name calling. 

    However, it is true that our course workers are in jeopardy and will never know what hit them when "the drifter" comes.  They have way too much going on, like taking pictures, making cell phone calls, watching the pretty birds, and looking at their shoes.

    I am just as concerned about our course worker's general ineptness as of late as I am about "the drifter".  Could you please mention at the next driver's meeting to have each corner captain explain the rules, signals, and general safety precautions to their course-workers?  I think that the corner captains should do this before the start of each heat, regardless of the apparent experience of the course-workers.  Perhaps, this could be made a part of the radio "check-in".  For example, when control radios each corner to see if they are ready, control could also ask, "Have you instructed the corner-workers?"

    I understand that this may slow down the start by a couple of minutes, but it potentially could save time during the runs. 


    Paul Greif
    927 STS
    2006 Hyundai Elantra GT
    (2,800 lb. nose-heavy pig)
    http://www.elantraclub.com
    http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/
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