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Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

Last post 04-24-2008, 10:33 PM by ScottH560. 37 replies.
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  •  04-02-2008, 12:52 PM 293209 in reply to 293182

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    BMW fog lights have a tendency to pop out of the bumper cover and flail around during autocross runs.  I've seen tape used to hold them in place, and I've also seen people run with the lights removed (the latter is not strictly legal in SCCA Stock competition).

    John S.
    S2000 #42as
  •  04-02-2008, 1:17 PM 293214 in reply to 293182

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    CosmosMpower:

    John V:
    A fragged motor mount and one blown Bilstein HD shock were the only major failures we've had over the past year.  But... it is a Porsche.  Ick!

    So that bill ran just south of 3 grand right ;)

    $144 for the motor mount and the Bilstein was free (warranty).  Stick out tongue


    John Vitamvas
    stranoparts.com / TeamWTF.org '04 Z06
  •  04-02-2008, 2:18 PM 293220 in reply to 293214

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    In 3 years with the e46m3 I broke a fog light and some under tray/fender liner plastic bits.  I also went through 2 sets of front control arm bushings (one OE rubber, one poly) and one set of rear OE trailing arm bushings - that's all I can think of.


    Now the vette - well, that's another story...
     


    www.teamWTF.org
    WDCR
    AS C4 z51
    ASP e46m3 "slower than an Evo" ;)
  •  04-02-2008, 2:23 PM 293225 in reply to 293158

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    1995 BMW 318 (E36).  Retired from autocrossing last year, but still sees regular track duty.  I don't count, but it's done many hundreds of autocross runs.  And, it's been my daily driver for 13 years and 160,000 miles.  It has never left me stranded, and the only failures due to autocrossing were engine mounts.  (Sidestepping the clutch at 4,000 RPM on sticky tires at places like Grissom and Forbes will do that. :)   It gets generous amounts of routine maintenance, but nothing I wouldn't do for any car.

     The E46 didn't impress me as quite as sturdy, but I didn't own it for very long.  A current E90 seems OK but it doesn't get autocrossed or tracked...and is still fairly new.

  •  04-03-2008, 3:00 AM 293318 in reply to 293225

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    Engine mounts, clutch, and an axle....all bad before the car ever started autocrossing, needed to be replaced anyway.

     60K miles later (since late 2006), over 500 autocross laps and 150+ ProSolo launches, seems to be okay, but time for a new clutch shortly from the Pro's and awkward codrivers (you know who you are!) Big Smile

    Total 200K miles on original engine and trans and diffs. 
     


    *Banned Again* Permanently
  •  04-03-2008, 10:35 AM 293337 in reply to 293318

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    In three years of running an Elise I didn't have to replace or repair anything as a result except to clean up the fiberglass damage when I was sure I was done running her (just completed).  The car remains my daily driver and has no after-effects of countless Solo and Pro Solo events. 
    Jer
    #196 ES
    #187 SS retired
  •  04-04-2008, 10:22 PM 293583 in reply to 293026

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    Anyone have any comments on a 2006 Acura RSX Type-S?  I'm going to driving school this month and attending the SCCA event the next day to watch the festivities.  I am debating whether to autocross my "Lola."
    ---Traci---
    www.myspace.com/ga_electronchick
  •  04-05-2008, 1:07 AM 293601 in reply to 293583

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    Electronchick,

    Winters North of Chicago are far harder on a car than summers autocrossing. Other than some cone marks, expect no harm to befall Lola. Go to the school, learn and have fun. Don't worry about the car.

     Also, don't you dare go to an autocross and only watch. This is one of the most boring specatator sports known to man or woman. But it sure is fun to do. Sign up for that SCCA event now! You'll regret it if you don't :-)

    Regards,

    Alan


    Alan Pozner
    Slow and proud
  •  04-05-2008, 8:17 AM 293605 in reply to 293601

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    I'll second Alan's response -- get out and drive! We're a very friendly bunch (well, most of us, anyway Wink) and are always happy to find another "car person" to hang out with and enjoy our version of "a Sunday drive."

    I'll say that autocrossing will find any "weaknesses" in your particular car, but most of the time proper maintenance can reduce or eliminate most of the problems. In fact, I'd say that competitive autocross cars get BETTER maintenance (and necessary repairs) than your average car!


    Glenn L. Austin, Computer Wizard and Race Car Driver
    2005 Ultra Yellow Nissan 350Z Track Model
    2007 Packwood ProSolo "first loser" (0.081)
    2007 SCCA Solo National Championships - 10th place
  •  04-05-2008, 11:14 AM 293611 in reply to 293044

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    cmamich:
    With the weak dollar, and BMW in general -- I would imagine the parts are quite a bit more expensive than our beloved GM products. 

    I would disagree, I've found parts for my car not to be any more expensive than anything else.

    Just because you need to buy parts for a german car, doesn't mean you need to import them from germany. =] 


    DS #313 | the rolling couch of doom | La-Z-Boy Racing
  •  04-05-2008, 11:24 AM 293612 in reply to 293601

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    I promise you, this will be the ONLY autocross event I attend as a spectator....since you have no clue who I am or anything about me, I'll give you a quick history:  I'm from south Georgia where my favorite past-time was mud boggin' in 4 wheel drives, non-4 wheel drives, 4 wheelers, and 3 wheelers, usually after 10pm at night.  The idea was to get each other stuck in the mud and have to get help to get out of their predicament.

    I'm a pretty aggressive driver already, I just need to learn to control and harness.  I want to legally have a ball driving my car and see what she can do.  Thanks for the info.


    ---Traci---
    www.myspace.com/ga_electronchick
  •  04-05-2008, 12:24 PM 293617 in reply to 293612

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    Hello and Welcome Chick,

    Allow me to introduce myself.  David H. Lehman, the voice of reason and sanity on these forums.

    The only reason you were told to participate rather than spectate is because there are two types of automotive enthusiasts.

    1)  The waxers that can't and never will be able to drive their way out of a paperbag.

    2)  Autocrossers who run to have fun, get an adreneline rush, meet friends, and goof on fellow participants.

    The poster above wanted you to fall into # 2, and avoid becoming #1.

     

    PS----I have to go to the restroom right now !  I know it's #1 and maybe if I am lucky # 2

    PPS----welcome


    Trying to get faster
  •  04-07-2008, 11:17 PM 294030 in reply to 293182

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    Well if you hit as many cones as I and my other drivers do you can expect several hundred dollars a year in replacement undertray plastic pieces and fasteners. Tongue Tied

    I haven't fared any better with the RX-8 that I did with the BMW's.  The Z06 was probably the most resilient and least breakable car I ever competed in WRT to this.

    I won't even mention the number of RX-8 transmissions I've bought and own ...


    "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
    Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you." --Anonymous
  •  04-08-2008, 8:43 AM 294079 in reply to 294030

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    TeamRX8:

    ...

    I won't even mention the number of RX-8 transmissions I've bought and own ...

    No doubt due to the massive torque produced by that motor....?? Stick out tongue


    Charlie Thompson
    '04 JCW Cooper [STX]
    NER Cannon Fodder
  •  04-08-2008, 2:50 PM 294184 in reply to 294030

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    I've heard a couple of times now about the fasteners...what are they, where do I get them?  I guess we can put them on ourselves?  Would someone be around that could show that to me?  I expect that there might be a cone or two in jeopardy...I have been known for curbage in the past...been more careful with my current ride, though.
    ---Traci---
    www.myspace.com/ga_electronchick
  •  04-09-2008, 11:19 AM 294295 in reply to 294184

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    If you make it to the drivers school, I can point out really quickly where the fasteners are that you need to look for on the RSX.  I've only lost one so far, and I'm not even sure that was autocrossing. ;)  Fair chance I'll be your instructor, since they usually pair instructors up with cars we're most familiar with.  If not, I'm sure I'll still catch you there.
  •  04-22-2008, 7:54 PM 296533 in reply to 294295

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    The cars I'm familiar with and their maintenance/weak spots:

    E46: hubs (if there are miles on them), rear subframe damage (google it)
    C4: control arm bushings, hubs every season
    C5: seen hubs go on these too
    SN95: control arm bushings ea season, limited slip 1/4 to full season (stick axle vs IRS), eventual wheel bearings


    Really on any car I'd be inspecting/expecting any bushing or mount to see more than design stress if fully using today's R-comp DOT tires.  They are amazing.  Figure belt tensioners and engine accessories will be complaining at some point as well. 

    HTH,

    - Jeff

     


    Just another old Mustang guy....
  •  04-24-2008, 10:33 PM 296969 in reply to 296533

    Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle

    Buy a Honda....they never seem to break, if they do, parts are ALWAYS available, and they are relatively cheap to own and maintain.  Plus the resale is great!  I could go on and on for hourse about my 01 Civic and the abuse I put it through, but let me just say that the reason I have an 04 is because I wanted a color change and wanted to upgrade.  Really wish I would've kept my 01.
    D. Scott Bourne
    192HS
    DATS Racing LLC
    Kumho Motorsports
    Ken Towery's Motorsports
    Tokico USA


    DATS Racing, All DATS, All the time!
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