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Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
Last post 04-24-2008, 10:33 PM by ScottH560. 37 replies.
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04-02-2008, 12:52 PM |
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Orthonormal
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
BMW fog lights have a tendency to pop out of the bumper cover and flail around during autocross runs. I've seen tape used to hold them in place, and I've also seen people run with the lights removed (the latter is not strictly legal in SCCA Stock competition).
John S. S2000 #42as
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04-02-2008, 1:17 PM |
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John V
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
CosmosMpower:
John V:A fragged motor mount and one blown Bilstein HD shock were the only major failures we've had over the past year. But... it is a Porsche. 
So that bill ran just south of 3 grand right ;)
$144 for the motor mount and the Bilstein was free (warranty). 
John Vitamvas Overweight, one-wheel drive tire-eater
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04-02-2008, 2:18 PM |
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bren
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
In 3 years with the e46m3 I broke a fog light and some under tray/fender liner plastic bits. I also went through 2 sets of front control arm bushings (one OE rubber, one poly) and one set of rear OE trailing arm bushings - that's all I can think of. Now the vette - well, that's another story...
www.teamWTF.org WDCR AS C4 z51 ASP e46m3 "slower than an Evo" ;)
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04-02-2008, 2:23 PM |
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
1995 BMW 318 (E36). Retired from autocrossing last year, but still sees regular track duty. I don't count, but it's done many hundreds of autocross runs. And, it's been my daily driver for 13 years and 160,000 miles. It has never left me stranded, and the only failures due to autocrossing were engine mounts. (Sidestepping the clutch at 4,000 RPM on sticky tires at places like Grissom and Forbes will do that. :) It gets generous amounts of routine maintenance, but nothing I wouldn't do for any car.
The E46 didn't impress me as quite as sturdy, but I didn't own it for very long. A current E90 seems OK but it doesn't get autocrossed or tracked...and is still fairly new.
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04-03-2008, 3:00 AM |
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
Engine mounts, clutch, and an axle....all bad before the car ever started autocrossing, needed to be replaced anyway.
60K miles later (since late 2006), over 500 autocross laps and 150+ ProSolo launches, seems to be okay, but time for a new clutch shortly from the Pro's and awkward codrivers (you know who you are!) 
Total 200K miles on original engine and trans and diffs.
*Banned Again* Permanently
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04-04-2008, 10:22 PM |
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Electronchick
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
Anyone have any comments on a 2006 Acura RSX Type-S? I'm going to driving school this month and attending the SCCA event the next day to watch the festivities. I am debating whether to autocross my "Lola."
---Traci--- www.myspace.com/ga_electronchick
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04-05-2008, 1:07 AM |
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
Electronchick,
Winters North of Chicago are far harder on a car than summers autocrossing. Other than some cone marks, expect no harm to befall Lola. Go to the school, learn and have fun. Don't worry about the car.
Also, don't you dare go to an autocross and only watch. This is one of the most boring specatator sports known to man or woman. But it sure is fun to do. Sign up for that SCCA event now! You'll regret it if you don't :-)
Regards,
Alan
Alan Pozner Slow and proud
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04-05-2008, 8:17 AM |
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Glenn L. Austin
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
I'll second Alan's response -- get out and drive! We're a very friendly bunch (well, most of us, anyway ) and are always happy to find another "car person" to hang out with and enjoy our version of "a Sunday drive." I'll say that autocrossing will find any "weaknesses" in your particular car, but most of the time proper maintenance can reduce or eliminate most of the problems. In fact, I'd say that competitive autocross cars get BETTER maintenance (and necessary repairs) than your average car!
Glenn L. Austin, Computer Wizard and Race Car Driver 2005 Ultra Yellow Nissan 350Z Track Model 2007 Packwood ProSolo "first loser" (0.081) 2007 SCCA Solo National Championships - 10th place
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04-05-2008, 11:14 AM |
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
cmamich:With the weak dollar, and BMW in general -- I would imagine the parts are quite a bit more expensive than our beloved GM products.
I would disagree, I've found parts for my car not to be any more expensive than anything else. Just because you need to buy parts for a german car, doesn't mean you need to import them from germany. =]
DS #313 | the rolling couch of doom | La-Z-Boy Racing
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04-05-2008, 11:24 AM |
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
I promise you, this will be the ONLY autocross event I attend as a spectator....since you have no clue who I am or anything about me, I'll give you a quick history: I'm from south Georgia where my favorite past-time was mud boggin' in 4 wheel drives, non-4 wheel drives, 4 wheelers, and 3 wheelers, usually after 10pm at night. The idea was to get each other stuck in the mud and have to get help to get out of their predicament.
I'm a pretty aggressive driver already, I just need to learn to control and harness. I want to legally have a ball driving my car and see what she can do. Thanks for the info.
---Traci--- www.myspace.com/ga_electronchick
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04-05-2008, 12:24 PM |
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David Lehman
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
Hello and Welcome Chick,
Allow me to introduce myself. David H. Lehman, the voice of reason and sanity on these forums.
The only reason you were told to participate rather than spectate is because there are two types of automotive enthusiasts.
1) The waxers that can't and never will be able to drive their way out of a paperbag.
2) Autocrossers who run to have fun, get an adreneline rush, meet friends, and goof on fellow participants.
The poster above wanted you to fall into # 2, and avoid becoming #1.
PS----I have to go to the restroom right now ! I know it's #1 and maybe if I am lucky # 2
PPS----welcome
Trying to get faster
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04-07-2008, 11:17 PM |
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
Well if you hit as many cones as I and my other drivers do you can expect several hundred dollars a year in replacement undertray plastic pieces and fasteners. 
I haven't fared any better with the RX-8 that I did with the BMW's. The Z06 was probably the most resilient and least breakable car I ever competed in WRT to this.
I won't even mention the number of RX-8 transmissions I've bought and own ...
"Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you." --Anonymous
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04-08-2008, 8:43 AM |
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TeamRX8:
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I won't even mention the number of RX-8 transmissions I've bought and own ...
No doubt due to the massive torque produced by that motor....?? 
Charlie Thompson '04 JCW Cooper [STX] NER Cannon Fodder
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04-08-2008, 2:50 PM |
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Electronchick
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I've heard a couple of times now about the fasteners...what are they, where do I get them? I guess we can put them on ourselves? Would someone be around that could show that to me? I expect that there might be a cone or two in jeopardy...I have been known for curbage in the past...been more careful with my current ride, though.
---Traci--- www.myspace.com/ga_electronchick
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04-09-2008, 11:19 AM |
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
If you make it to the drivers school, I can point out really quickly where the fasteners are that you need to look for on the RSX. I've only lost one so far, and I'm not even sure that was autocrossing. ;) Fair chance I'll be your instructor, since they usually pair instructors up with cars we're most familiar with. If not, I'm sure I'll still catch you there.
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04-22-2008, 7:54 PM |
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Re: Cost of Competitively Running in Stock Class / Wear and Tear on Vehicle
The cars I'm familiar with and their maintenance/weak spots: E46: hubs (if there are miles on them), rear subframe damage (google it)
C4: control arm bushings, hubs every season
C5: seen hubs go on these too
SN95: control arm bushings ea season, limited slip 1/4 to full season (stick axle vs IRS), eventual wheel bearings
Really on any car I'd be inspecting/expecting any bushing or mount to
see more than design stress if fully using today's R-comp DOT
tires. They are amazing. Figure belt tensioners and engine
accessories will be complaining at some point as well.
HTH, - Jeff
Just another old Mustang guy....
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