"The seat, including mounting hardware, must weigh at least 20 pounds and must be attached using the standard body mounting holes/studs. Additional mounting points may be added."

 What is the purpose intention of restricting the seat be attached to the standard mounting holes? What constitutes 'attached' using these standard holes?

Thanks,
Ryan

Just a guess, but I'm thinking they don't want people running a sheet metal screw into thin guage steel that isn't capable of handling the stresses.  Factory mount points are engineering to take the loads. Attached?  I'm thinking like running the proper size bolt into the factory tapped holes.  (shrug)

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Patrick Washburn
STU Evo
www.winghats.com

Patrick Washburn:

Just a guess, but I'm thinking they don't want people running a sheet metal screw into thin guage steel that isn't capable of handling the stresses.  Factory mount points are engineering to take the loads. Attached?  I'm thinking like running the proper size bolt into the factory tapped holes.  (shrug)

 

While I'm sure that is the intent, the wording allows you to maintain your shitty mounting, and run a piece of 22Ga all-purpose-holey-strap to each factory hole, and be deemed legal.

Sprockett:

 

 What is the purpose intention of restricting the seat be attached to the standard mounting holes? What constitutes 'attached' using these standard holes?

 

Those are damn good questions.  Dave is correct about the reality of the rule.  Attached would mean some kind of fastener holding the seat or seat mount to the OE studes/holes, assuming your car has OE studs/holes.  Why?  The SEB must have assumed the OE mounting holes/studs are the most prudent method of mounting a seat to the car. 

Elsewhere on this forum (Street Prepared) you will find at least one other thread discussing the viability and reality of this rule.  It doesn't appear to have been very well recieved. 

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Steve Hoelscher
#27 DP - Toyota MR2
http://www.terriehoward.com

Steve Hoelscher:

Those are damn good questions.  Dave is correct about the reality of the rule.  Attached would mean some kind of fastener holding the seat or seat mount to the OE studes/holes, assuming your car has OE studs/holes.  Why?  The SEB must have assumed the OE mounting holes/studs are the most prudent method of mounting a seat to the car. 

Elsewhere on this forum (Street Prepared) you will find at least one other thread discussing the viability and reality of this rule.  It doesn't appear to have been very well recieved. 

Not arguing against you Steve, but a couple questions:

"Assuming your car has OEM studs/holes?" (to mount seats)    Why wouldn't they?  Are there cars that don't come with those?

Why do you feel is it wrong for SEB to assume that the factory designed hard points aren't the best locations to mount the seat?  Would it be OK to allow me to run a couple of #10 sheet metal screws through a couple angles into my floor?

Like I said, not trying to make a point against you, just wondering what your saying.  What should the rule say?

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Patrick Washburn
STU Evo
www.winghats.com

[shakes head] not this thread again....

If everyone would stop dissecting every that they don't like they would see the common sense answer to this.  Sure you can attach it in an unsafe way, but why would you when you have the means to attached it the way the factory did?  With out this rule it leave it wide open to attach the seat anywhere, and most people aren't going to create something that is safe/beefy as the stock points... not saying the safety minded people in this thread would do that...

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Jason Frank
Bridgestone / datatoys.com / Redshift Motorsports STS Civic Si

TeamUndercoatRacing.com

Patrick Washburn:

"Assuming your car has OEM studs/holes?" (to mount seats)    Why wouldn't they?  Are there cars that don't come with those?

Why do you feel is it wrong for SEB to assume that the factory designed hard points aren't the best locations to mount the seat?  Would it be OK to allow me to run a couple of #10 sheet metal screws through a couple angles into my floor?

Like I said, not trying to make a point against you, just wondering what your saying.  What should the rule say?

If you read through the other long winded post you will find in the middle that they know of/or used to drive a couple cars where have the rails integrate into the floor or something.  I agree that is could be clarified to include these cars.

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Jason Frank
Bridgestone / datatoys.com / Redshift Motorsports STS Civic Si

TeamUndercoatRacing.com

Howdy, 

Mugenlude:

Patrick Washburn:

"Assuming your car has OEM studs/holes?" (to mount seats)    Why wouldn't they?  Are there cars that don't come with those?

Why do you feel is it wrong for SEB to assume that the factory designed hard points aren't the best locations to mount the seat?  Would it be OK to allow me to run a couple of #10 sheet metal screws through a couple angles into my floor?

Like I said, not trying to make a point against you, just wondering what your saying.  What should the rule say?

If you read through the other long winded post you will find in the middle that they know of/or used to drive a couple cars where have the rails integrate into the floor or something.  I agree that is could be clarified to include these cars.

I'll agree if you do a couple things.

1st, find me a car other than a 900 year old x1/9 that doesn't use bolt holes / studs to mount the factory seat.  Preferably one made in the last 20 years that's campaigned in autox.

2nd, prove to me that somehow the wording requiring you to use at least the factory bolt holes / studs (as well as any other points you desire) somehow requires you to use a welded in slider.

:-)

Mark

marka:

Howdy,

1st, find me a car other than a 900 year old x1/9 that doesn't use bolt holes / studs to mount the factory seat.  Preferably one made in the last 20 years that's campaigned in autox.

FSP Scirocco ?

Just sayin.

 Gavin
 

 

Yeah...didn't mean to drag up stuff from the dead.  :)  Not going to read that thread....too long and I'm not interested enough.  Guess my only point is that unless you say otherwise, I'm going to be a real Gomer and slap a couple aluminum angles to the floor pan with some #10 Tek screws.  You are going to have to legislate away Gomers stupidity and lack of engineering common sense if you don't want a seat that falls over in a 5 mph crash.  Done with this hornets nest! 

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Patrick Washburn
STU Evo
www.winghats.com

As it turns out, the OE mounting holes turned out to be the easiest way to go in my case with no additional points. Interesting discussion, thanks for the replies.

Ryan

gavin:

marka:

Howdy,

1st, find me a car other than a 900 year old x1/9 that doesn't use bolt holes / studs to mount the factory seat.  Preferably one made in the last 20 years that's campaigned in autox.

FSP Scirocco ?

Just sayin.

 Gavin

 Yup, any VW.  Thanks to comments on the other post I'm going to use zip ties and ductape to "secure" a VW seat since thay all flop in the factory seat tracks.  Nothing like driving a car on a factory weebles wobble seat bottom.  I feel so much safer now I can't use a GCR legal method to mount a seat for road racing.  But I guess autocross crashes happen so much more often and are so much more violent than a road race crash.

Howdy,

TedV:

gavin:

marka:

Howdy,

1st, find me a car other than a 900 year old x1/9 that doesn't use bolt holes / studs to mount the factory seat.  Preferably one made in the last 20 years that's campaigned in autox.

FSP Scirocco ?

Just sayin.

 Gavin

 Yup, any VW.  Thanks to comments on the other post I'm going to use zip ties and ductape to "secure" a VW seat since thay all flop in the factory seat tracks.  Nothing like driving a car on a factory weebles wobble seat bottom.  I feel so much safer now I can't use a GCR legal method to mount a seat for road racing.  But I guess autocross crashes happen so much more often and are so much more violent than a road race crash.

So you're going to choose to mount your seat unsafely, even though the rule allows a safe mounting?

Gee, no sour grapes there.

If your car doesn't use bolt holes / studs to mount the factory seat to the car and instead uses welded / fabbed in sliders... You satisfy the "and must be attached using the standard body mounting holes/studs" part of the rule without doing anything.  It doesn't say you need to use the factory sliders and it explicitly allows additional mounting points.

Or were you going to cut out the factory sliders, which was arguably illegal anyway?

Mark

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