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i found on the scca-chicago site a link (a dead link BTW) to a minor release form...and everything i've found on the chicago site says minors 16-18 need a waiver signed by the parent.  my question is this...i found in the SCCA rules the age is 12-18, so could my 15 y/o sister in law ride along for a few runs in my car this summer?  she's an aspiring car junkie, and the whole purpose of her visiting us this summer is to learn about cars, attend some races, go to a NASCAR race, the Indy museum, etc.  it would mean the world to her to be able to ride along for a few runs.  she's visiting us from Alaska (specifically Sitka, a small island with only 13 miles of road)...so this would be really really special for her.  thanks!

 

~Tim

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The info on the Chicago site is referring to those ages that have a drivers license (perhaps that info should be updated).  The same forms are use for other minors.  There is a difference, where one is a passive person and the other is a participant.  I would think that the "rules" for a participant would apply for a minor passenger.  The same form that is used for a Junior Karter.  These forms can be printed out (must be printed out in color) from the National SCCA website  -  http://www.scca.com/documents/Club%20Forms/MinorReleaseFormMS-L_W_Program.pdf.  I'm not absolutely certain that this is the correct "participant" form, but I think so.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

thanks!  i'll get a few of these printed and signed (in case i need a fresh form for each event).  i'll take 'em to alaska with me and bring 'em back!

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The minor waiver form is on the SCCA.com site, under insurance (they moved it).  It must be printed in color and signed by both parents at the event, or if both parents are not at the event the non-attending parent signature must be notarized.

Now, as far as being a passenger...

CR only allows competitors to ride along during the event, and minors are not allowed to ride along in cars.  A 15 year old may ride along, if registered as a competitor, provided they have a valid state issued driver's permit and all provisions of that permit are met. (I would not allow them to ride along without anyone other than their parent unless there is written permission from their parent allowing a ride along with the specific driver in question.)

No permit - no car ride.

 

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Ed Locke
2006 CR-SCCA XP Champion (Hey! I showed up.)
#248 SM/XP/DP/GS/BS/etc.
At Track Graphics (http://www.attrackgraphics.com)
Skull Motorsports (http://www.skullmotorsports.com)

Daaaaaamn...

 

The new Chairman's a hard-ass.... 

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Tracy Ramsey
Team Blenderblaster
2000 MR2 DP Spyder

Zauskycop:

The new Chairman's a hard-ass.... 

 

Alright, I re-read the rules...

15 is OK as a passenger (must be 12 or older).  Waiver statement still applies, must also be registered as a competitor unless it is "post-event instructional runs" (that's what used to be called "fun runs"). 

Sorry, I over-reacted!

 

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Ed Locke
2006 CR-SCCA XP Champion (Hey! I showed up.)
#248 SM/XP/DP/GS/BS/etc.
At Track Graphics (http://www.attrackgraphics.com)
Skull Motorsports (http://www.skullmotorsports.com)

Zauskycop:

Daaaaaamn...

 

The new Chairman's a hard-ass.... 

As he should be... he needs to lead by example!  No point in any club losing a racing venue (let alone a prime one) over something minor like that (pun intended).

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Jason Frank
Bridgestone / datatoys.com / Redshift Motorsports STS Civic Si

TeamUndercoatRacing.com

Zauskycop:

Daaaaaamn...

 

The new Chairman's a hard-ass.... 

 Apparently, others don't know of Ed and I joking around...Please don't take this seriously...
 

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Tracy Ramsey
Team Blenderblaster
2000 MR2 DP Spyder

so i should have her get a permit in alaska...ger her mom to sign the paper in color...get it notarized...and have her sign up as a racer?  she won't be driving anything...so i guess she'll just have to be registered, and take a spot away from a potential racer just to ride along.

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zxtwou2:

so i should have her get a permit in alaska...ger her mom to sign the paper in color...get it notarized...and have her sign up as a racer?  she won't be driving anything...so i guess she'll just have to be registered, and take a spot away from a potential racer just to ride along.

Yes, she will have to register as a driver of a Junior Kart if she has no drivers license or permit.  If she has a license or permit, she can register in a regular car class.  I had forgotten about Chicago Region's policy of not allowing non-registered participants during competition runs.  Gee, it only took two years to forget my own rules.  :-(

Sorry that I misled you at the beginning of this thread, at least the minor waiver is there.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

well...i had planned on making every chicago event this year, and going to St Louis and Champaign on the weekends there wasn't anything at Rt66.  i'm in Peoria, right between the 3.  maybe i'll move chi-town to the bottom of that priority..i hate to do that, because chicago is so organized, you guys get 6 runs in every time, and i have friends up in the chicago area.

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Zauskycop:

Zauskycop:

Daaaaaamn...

 

The new Chairman's a hard-ass.... 

 Apparently, others don't know of Ed and I joking around...Please don't take this seriously...
 

Haha, I know of the "Ed".    I know you were just razzing him, but I didn't want the original poster to think that this was just some stupid rule that CHI Region has in place, I know that MKE Region has the same policy.

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Jason Frank
Bridgestone / datatoys.com / Redshift Motorsports STS Civic Si

TeamUndercoatRacing.com

zxtwou2:

so i should have her get a permit in alaska...ger her mom to sign the paper in color...get it notarized...and have her sign up as a racer?  she won't be driving anything...so i guess she'll just have to be registered, and take a spot away from a potential racer just to ride along.

If she has a permit and the minor waiver notarized then she could race, I think that would be more fun.

zxtwou2:

well...i had planned on making every chicago event this year, and going to St Louis and Champaign on the weekends there wasn't anything at Rt66.  i'm in Peoria, right between the 3.  maybe i'll move chi-town to the bottom of that priority..i hate to do that, because chicago is so organized, you guys get 6 runs in every time, and i have friends up in the chicago area.

If you are talking of running with other SCCA Regions in STL and Champaign you might want to also look into their policies regarding this issue.

Here is the rule as it reads from the 2008 SCCA Solo Rulebook:

2008 Rulebook:

4.1 DRIVER’S CREDENTIALS
A. Drivers must possess a currently valid automobile driver’s license.  Any underage driver who has the legal authority (license or permit) to operate an automobile with restrictions on a public road may compete in a Stock, Street Touring, or Street Prepared class at Regional events, as long as the restrictions of the driving license or permit are met. If those restrictions require a passenger, and the Region allows passengers, that passenger must be either the driver’s parent or legal guardian or an approved instructor.  That instructor must be approved by both the event chairman and the event Solo Safety Steward on a case-by-case basis. He/she must have the written permission of the driver’s parent/legal guardian (signed at the event) to ride as a passenger, and the restrictions imposed by the underage driver’s state must allow the instructor to ride as a passenger. Drivers need not be SCCA members except as otherwise provided.

I don't know TSSCC's position regarding this issue, I'll contact someone for you to reply here, maybe they allow this.  They also run events at Route 66 and you generally get 6 runs, usually more. 

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Jason Frank
Bridgestone / datatoys.com / Redshift Motorsports STS Civic Si

TeamUndercoatRacing.com

Hey, get her a co-drive in a kart if she doesn't have a permit!  Also, hook her up with the Arctic Alaska Region back home - they're good folks up there and likely have events somewhere around her island.  (I know it's a big state, but I'm guessing the events and the population density are mostly on the south end and around the islands.)

Jason's right - she'll enjoy driving and riding much more than just riding! 

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Ed Locke
2006 CR-SCCA XP Champion (Hey! I showed up.)
#248 SM/XP/DP/GS/BS/etc.
At Track Graphics (http://www.attrackgraphics.com)
Skull Motorsports (http://www.skullmotorsports.com)

Yea, I think if she has a permit and is registered, she would have a lot more fun behind the wheel than next to it.  If she's not comfortable driving a manual trans car, there are a couple automatic STS cars already registered for CR Event 1.  I'm sure one of them would be willing to let your sis drive.

If you feel like she might want to go the kart route, there are at least 2 CR families I know of where a JRKart driver is now driving a full size car.  I bet they might be good canidates to ask for a kart co-drive/drive. 

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Jason O'Young
2001 Civic EX Sedan
898 STS

she's never driven anything before...and she's turning 15 on May 6th...right before i bring her back from alaska...so it's not like she'll have any time behind the wheel.  there's only 13 miles of road there, too...and i've never heard of any of the villages within a boat/plane ride from her having any kind of racing events.  i'll see if she wants to try out a kart, and i'll try to get her in some seat time driving my car before i send her out on the course with it.  she leaves sometime in august, so maybe after a few weeks of learning the basics in local parking lots she'll be comfortable driving at an event.

also, i checked with CCSCC and they don't need to be registered to race just to do ride alongs.  i'm still unsure about STL.

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zxtwou2:

also, i checked with CCSCC and they don't need to be registered to race just to do ride alongs.  i'm still unsure about STL.

St. Louis does not require that the person be a registered entrant.  You, obviously, will still need the appropriate Minor Release form.

It should have also been mentioned that an entrant, starting this year, needs to be an SCCA member.  There will be some sort of additional charge for a weekend membership for those who are not members.  Up to two weekend memberships ($15.00 credit each) can be used toward a regular SCCA membership.  Passengers (who are not entrants) at events, do not need to be members.

H's & K's,
Rick Ruth

zxtwou2:

...and i've never heard of any of the villages within a boat/plane ride from her having any kind of racing events.

Looks like AAR has it's solo events around Anchorage. 

http://www.alaskascca.com/drupal/?q=node/4

 

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Ed Locke
2006 CR-SCCA XP Champion (Hey! I showed up.)
#248 SM/XP/DP/GS/BS/etc.
At Track Graphics (http://www.attrackgraphics.com)
Skull Motorsports (http://www.skullmotorsports.com)

Ed Locke:

zxtwou2:

...and i've never heard of any of the villages within a boat/plane ride from her having any kind of racing events.

Looks like AAR has it's solo events around Anchorage. 

http://www.alaskascca.com/drupal/?q=node/4

 

 

that would be like saying...you live in chicago...but there are events you can go to in Miami.  Sitka is a tiny island..and in relation to Anchorage, is right between Anchorage and....Seattle.  it's about a 400 dollar 3 hour flight from Sitka to Anchorage.

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