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My wife will be co-driving a DSP '98 Integra next season.  I am helping the owner with setup. Least expensive safe way to get more camber in the front? Is it upper control arm bolts?  What brand is recognized as safe, but not $$$ for the brand name?

 

Thanks,

Richard 

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WTB: CSP Spyder parts. What you got?

Only thing legal for SP are offset bushings. The anchor bolts are not legal.

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Nate Whipple
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188/88 DSP ITR

solo-x:

Only thing legal for SP are offset bushings. The anchor bolts are not legal.

 

There is no factory authorized repair part?

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WTB: CSP Spyder parts. What you got?

Nope. If the alignment is out of spec, inspect for damaged parts and replace. Your 98 Integra uses an SLA suspension, so no crash bolts like you'd find on a mac strut car.

You'll get roughly -1* of camber for every inch you lower the car. (Not quite, but close) Most guys just lower the car to get the camber they want. If that number is too high or low, you have to get custom delrin upper control arm bushings that are offset.

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Nate Whipple
NER
188/88 DSP ITR

does this "roughly -1* of camber for every inch you lower the car" apply to the rear susp. as well?

offcamber:

does this "roughly -1* of camber for every inch you lower the car" apply to the rear susp. as well?

its probably closer to -.75* for the rear.

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Nate Whipple
NER
188/88 DSP ITR

thanks solo-x

what would be good camber specs(front and rear) without dropping my car more than an inch? i daily drive, auto-x, and do track days with my 00 integra LS. i have 15x7 wheels +40 offset, with 205-50-15 tires.

I run a 99 civic in DSP with -1 in the front, -1.5 in the rear.  The car has about a 1" drop.  I have excellent tire wear!  I run Toyo RA1's at some local events (cost saving measure, besides I can drive them to the event); I have over 250 runs on a set with tread left!  Your car gains camber as the suspension compresses as a result of the double wish bone suspension, so "static of -1 in the front is not bad.

 

Art

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DSP #29

How much static camber you need is directly related to how stiff your car is in roll. I run big spring rates and big swaybars and find that somewhere between 2.5-3 degrees of static front camber is necessary for a good balance between front lateral grip and putting power down. More static camber will increase lateral grip, at the expense of longitudinal grip on corner exit. Since you haven't lowered the car much, you aren't going to have a lot of static camber. The camber kits on the market  give you more static camber at the expense of reduced suspension travel. Additionally, the camber kits on the market all do horrific things to your bump steer numbers. Your best best? Run it as stiff and as low as you can, with as much static camber as you can get without further reducing suspension travel or screwing up the suspension geometry. Good luck with that. I gave up and dedicated a car to autocross to accomplish the task. It can be driven on the street, and I do drive it to events up to 1500 miles one way, but I think I'm a little "off".
 

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Nate Whipple
NER
188/88 DSP ITR

Hey Nate, what's the downside to offset bushings for the lower arm on this generation car? I'm working with a friend to even out/get more camber on his 96 FSP civic. Seems like top or bottom bushings both change sai, bottom bushings must have higher lateral loads due to the location of the spindle (wear/binding problem?) but that also means they might do more to prevent deformation under load, higher bang for buck. That said, it's probably a lot more expensive to machine that rear lower bushing than to turn two top bushings...

Chris

P40vic:

Hey Nate, what's the downside to offset bushings for the lower arm on this generation car? I'm working with a friend to even out/get more camber on his 96 FSP civic. Seems like top or bottom bushings both change sai, bottom bushings must have higher lateral loads due to the location of the spindle (wear/binding problem?) but that also means they might do more to prevent deformation under load, higher bang for buck. That said, it's probably a lot more expensive to machine that rear lower bushing than to turn two top bushings...

Chris

I haven't done offset lower bushings for the reasons you've already covered. I'd be concerned of the same things that I found when changing the upper control arms, so certainly measure everything once you change the lower bushings.

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Nate Whipple
NER
188/88 DSP ITR