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I did run 275's.....  I was a bit quicker on 285's.  We'll see about next year................

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Sam Strano
Strano Performance Parts
814-849-3450

01 FS Z28:

To me, the redline means the redline.... like the Red Line on the tach.  Where are they talking about the rev-limiter? 

 Yeah, you could run 275's and that will get you more speed in 2nd than with 285's.  But still less than a 3.55 axle w/285's, and now you get to sit another .3" higher off the ground too. 

The sales material flat out says 6500rpm red line (raised 250rpm), so I'm not sure what you mean when you say "the redline means the redline"? It seems pretty straightforward, regardless as to what is printed on the tach face in pre production photos.

I was bringing up the rev limiter, because it sounds like there are two types used on the Mustang and there's no way of knowing which type is on the Bullitt, yet.

 

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In another post you stated that someone you knew had seen one of these, and the tach was marked 6500 for redline.  I was pointing out in the press pics that isn't the case. 

 The Redline in a GT is 6000, as it is in the Shelby.  The Rev-limiter (which is different) is 6250 in a GT, and presumably 6500 in a Shelby as it uses the FR1 calibration, which is what it was stated the Bullitt is going to use, and I'm sure it will as it has the same type of intake and why would Ford make a whole new cal. for a limited car when they hadn't for the Shelby. 

 You don't have to buy what I'm saying, but mark my words there will be no magical differences and the Bullitt will go slower in 2nd than a Shelby will on the same tires, and probably a touch off what a stock GT can run on the same tires given the gearing differences. 

 I might be wrong, maybe the Bullitt will be the new killer FS car.  I hope we find out.  But I'm looking at it and thinking all else being equal it won't be a killer.  Unless something amazing happens with the suspension (which we don't know until we run one) this is all conjecture.  Bottom line is the car is a Shelby, but taller with shorter gearing and unknown springs and bars. 

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Sam Strano
Strano Performance Parts
814-849-3450

Got 'ya.

I think your last sentence sums it up:  "Bottom line is the car is a Shelby, but taller with shorter gearing and unknown springs and bars"

Now, on to the 350hp GT for '09 rumor...

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From what I remember when looking at the tunes side by side, the Shelby rev limiter was in the ~6350 range, about 100 rpm higher than the stock GT.

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Brian "Big Enos" Burdette

Well, if that's true....  And it's tangible information since I know Brian's seen a Shelby tune on a laptop, that's a plus in the Bullitt column since it won't be way off on speed (1 mph or so).  Then it's matter of if the limiter is has the soft first step like the Shelby, or just slams headlong into the thottle cut like the GT's. 

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Sam Strano
Strano Performance Parts
814-849-3450

01 FS Z28:

Well, if that's true....  And it's tangible information since I know Brian's seen a Shelby tune on a laptop, that's a plus in the Bullitt column since it won't be way off on speed (1 mph or so).  Then it's matter of if the limiter is has the soft first step like the Shelby, or just slams headlong into the thottle cut like the GT's. 

Yep, that limiter thing is a question mark.

The other thing is what the spring package is really all about. If the rear is lowered only 6mm, it may not have the problem you talked about in the Shelby with lack of travel. But, if the front is higher and softer, that isn't neccessarily a good thing. I wonder how, now that the car is out in the public domain, we could get the actual specs on the Bullitt springs?

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Here are the part numbers for the springs.  Not sure what they mean though.  I'm not sure if they really are part #s either.

 

SPRING - COIL LEFT FRONT
TAAU2	4R33 - 5310 -GA L/F COIL	pener.parent.fraTop.buildfeat ("TAAU2","4R33 - 5310 -GA L/F COIL ",checked)' type=checkbox name=chk219>
SPRING - COIL LEFT REAR
TAEE1	5R33 -5560 -AA L/R COIL	pener.parent.fraTop.buildfeat ("TAEE1","5R33 -5560 -AA L/R COIL ",checked)' type=checkbox name=chk221>
SPRING - COIL RIGHT FRONT
TACL6	4R33-5310-GA R/F COIL	pener.parent.fraTop.buildfeat ("TACL6","4R33-5310-GA R/F COIL ",checked)' type=checkbox name=chk223>
SPRING - COIL RIGHT REAR
TAGE1	5R33 - 5560 - AA R/R COIL	pener.parent.fraTop.buildfeat ("TAGE1","5R33 - 5560 - AA R/R COIL ",checked)' type=checkbox name=chk225>

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James Lambert

BTW here's a little info according to the manufacture spec sheet the 2005 Mustang GT Coupe had the exact same wheel rates (170.7 lb/in) front and rear.

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James Lambert

01 FS Z28:

In another post you stated that someone you knew had seen one of these, and the tach was marked 6500 for redline.  I was pointing out in the press pics that isn't the case. 

 The Redline in a GT is 6000, as it is in the Shelby.  The Rev-limiter (which is different) is 6250 in a GT, and presumably 6500 in a Shelby as it uses the FR1 calibration, which is what it was stated the Bullitt is going to use, and I'm sure it will as it has the same type of intake and why would Ford make a whole new cal. for a limited car when they hadn't for the Shelby. 

 You don't have to buy what I'm saying, but mark my words there will be no magical differences and the Bullitt will go slower in 2nd than a Shelby will on the same tires, and probably a touch off what a stock GT can run on the same tires given the gearing differences. 

 I might be wrong, maybe the Bullitt will be the new killer FS car.  I hope we find out.  But I'm looking at it and thinking all else being equal it won't be a killer.  Unless something amazing happens with the suspension (which we don't know until we run one) this is all conjecture.  Bottom line is the car is a Shelby, but taller with shorter gearing and unknown springs and bars. 

The Bullitt interior pic we have been looking at was released in error.  It shows the wrong steering wheel and wrong gauges...it has since been retracted.   Here is the actual Bullitt gauge package and steering wheel.  You will notice that the redline indeed is marked at 6500RPM and the steering wheel is the GT500 style, leather wrapped with integrated thumb grips.

 

Paul Randel, chief engineer for the Mustang program, explains a few details of the car in this video:   http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4230204.html

The car has a completely different engine calibration than the Shelby.  The Bullitt is the first Ford capable of sensing the octane rating of the fuel being burned and it adjusts the tune accordingly....ground breaking technology for Ford.  The 315hp rating is on regular fuel...on premium one can only guess how much power it will make, but we can be pretty certain it will be more than the Shelby.  The intake is also slightly different than the Shelby....the Bullitt hood liner has been redesigned to seal off on the air box and should work a bit better than the FR intake we are familiar with.


 

 

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2009 E90 335i
Winnipeg Sports Car Club

Hmmm.... this gets more interesting everyday. I wonder how big the FS ranks are going to grow next year?

 

Screw you guys, Im buying a CHallenger. LOL       j/k       actually....I would be crazy enough to do it.

 

Either way, next year should be fun.
 

Now things are getting interesting, and I am more willing to consider the Bullitt better than I thought it might be.  But we'll see. 

 I'm not completely sold on the power thing vs. the octane.  I know my '07 GT runs markedly harder on 93 than is does on 87 with a stock tune.  Most car now are very knock sensitive and will be fairly aggressive on timing until they see knock.

 Could end up being that the Bullitt is faster in straight line, but not around sweepers.  I'm not worried, at least until I drive on that's faster than what we're running, or I get some solid spring and bar info.  And then I think in the end things will just wash out. 

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Sam Strano
Strano Performance Parts
814-849-3450

The soft limiter on the 07 Shelby and 07 GT are both set to 6375, but the hard electronic throttle limiter (the one that makes you drop 650 rpm before you get control back) is set to 6475 on the Shelby and 6250 on the GT.  I brought my tuning laptop to work today .

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Phil K.
2002 Camaro SS, #68 ESP

How in the heck does that work? You have a soft limiter on the GT, but you can't ever hit it since the hard limiter is 125 RPM lower?

-Mike

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Mike Shields
1993 BMW 325is | 92/192 DSP

Mike Shields:

How in the heck does that work? You have a soft limiter on the GT, but you can't ever hit it since the hard limiter is 125 RPM lower?

-Mike

You got it!

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Phil K.
2002 Camaro SS, #68 ESP