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fastmike wrote:

I REALLY hope everything turns out ok and we, as a group, do not "overdo it" and get really slow courses with 20 mph corners and top speeds of 50mph or something.
If this starts happening time and time again, I will step back and reconsider my membership in the organization along with many, many others.
There is a "fun" factor that goes along with getting your car "dancing" in second gear...

San Diego will be interesting....
See ya there!

FM Lillejord
SCCA member in good standing.

The likely effects of the Fort Myers protest on the San Diego Tour courses is certainly not hard to predict. I'd venture that the speeds you mention above will turn out to be just about right

The chief safety steward for the area has already posted on a local board that the GT3 was "clocked at 83 mph all three runs", and then implied that Carpenter's "apology" was basically too "late".

My unsolicited advice would be to find an STS or H Stock ride.

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Gary T

 

The lawyer in me would say that at a minimum, an 'unprepared car' would not include any car from "Street Prepared", as they are by definition "prepared cars". Which leads me to question why xSP car times were being used at all. Seems to me you would only use times in cars from the  Stock classes or risk the decision being based on improper grounds, since xSP would tend to skew the "results" in favor of the rule having been violated.

Hey, it was a great event and well organized.

But....

Every sport has rules. If you don't like the rules then campaign to change them. But don't attack a competitor for asking that the rules be enforced. Especially when the protest is upheld, which just shows he was right. I'm not sure what were the options of the protest committee. I believe they wanted the SEB to make a ruling on speed restrictions so had to rule the way they did.

To me this protest should be handled as a weenie protest: Protest upheld, return the protest money, fix it for the next event or you'll be DQ'd, results stand. IMHO

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Ted

2003 C5 AE Coupe AS
2004 Z16/Z06 SS

"cheif saftey steward already posted on another board that the GT3 was clocked doing 83mph on all 3 runs..."

What Board? I'd like to explain to him how that was impossible!

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1999 Civic Si SSC (sold)--- officially a car whore!
2003 Mini Cooper S --- Runs with that other organization

Please practice your explanation here.  Explain how it is "impossible" for a GT3 to rev past 8400 in 2nd.

(Again: only half stirring up sh*t.  Mostly interested in the logic being used.)

- Jtoby

 

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"All your boost are belong to us"

welll - Ian was driving the GT3, and he stated he was trying to hit the rev limiter in 2nd, but never could.  That would mean he never hit 83 mph. 

Peter Leir's GT3, with Peter, Ian or myself driving it has never found the rev limiter in 2nd on any solo course, even this one.

adamb

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Adam Breakey

Mazda Mp3 SSC
Founder - http://www.autocrossforum.com

http://www.peanutbutterward.com/sundaysized.jpg

Above is a map from Sunday, I worked first heat standing south of Cone number 60. From my view point cones 45 threw 52 slowed the cars way down but by cone 60 several cars were bumping 2nd gear limiters and some going into 3rd gear. It was higher speeds than I'm used to but never felt unsafe.

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Paul Ward
2000 Miata Cstock, garage queen
2000 Camry Point A to Point B

The rule on corner speeds is specific about speed, but doesn't define what all constitutes a corner. Is a slalom a corner? How about gated sections, which are really just slaloms? To me, a slalom is not a corner. Overall direction of travel doesn't change.

So, was the protest filed over speeds in sweepers or through slalom or gated sections?

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Bob Beamesderfer '94 CSP Miata
Cal Club and SDR

Wow........what a bland looking course on paper.

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Wayne Onyschuk
09 WRX - DS
09 Mazda3 - HS

The course looks like many I've run before down there... amazing they don't change much... Home field advantage anyone... :)

The turn around is typicall for down there, and I'm usually grabbing third at cone 60 in the Celica, a little eary, and carrying 3rd gear the entire way back... if not you just bang the snot out of the rev limiter...

You can focus much more on getting the rhythm down and looking ahead on the way back, and I must say its a hoot...! 


Rick

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Rick Cone
Atlanta Region Secretary

STS2 #98
1991 Mazda Miata - Aqua

I applaud Mr Carpenter and the PC for making the tough call. Anyone can make easy decisions, it takes real intergrity to make the hard ones. We should remember that Solo is NOT a speed sport. If we kill or maim some course workers Solo could go the way of Rally. Time trials are there for those who need to "dance at the edge of control" at speed with safety, Solo is meant to be different.

 

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97 Miata ES
93 RX 7 SS

Yeah that's great--------

You will make solo so thrilling ---THAT IT REALLY WILL BE SOLO

 

It will become so boring that you will be lucky to get 5 drivers show up.

PS---If only one person shows up, then who runs the timing equipment ?

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Trying to get faster

David Lehman:

Yeah that's great--------

You will make solo so thrilling ---THAT IT REALLY WILL BE SOLO

 

It will become so boring that you will be lucky to get 5 drivers show up.

PS---If only one person shows up, then who runs the timing equipment ?

 

Are you mentally disabled, or just acting like it to make us feel sorry for you?

No one has suggested slowing down Solo ... only preventing a rogue region (who decides that someone is over the sound limit without using a meter, and has more major incidents than most) from setting up single throttle position course that also happen to be stupidly and boringly designed.  You don't need to design only transients down, same old 180 at the bottom, and transients back.  Unless you really have no talent at course design whatsoever .... oh, that must have been it.

As for the protest, it wasn't so much an issue of safety, it was more that the Solo class structure is not based on what cars could do on that course.  

As for national staff allowing that course, they already made some changes prior to allowing walk throughs, or weren't you watching?   It's hard to force a region or designer to make more than a couple of major changes.  That course sucked so bad it really needed to be completely redesigned, preferably by someone from the planet earth.

 

Highest speeds were reached at gate 40/41 and 66/67. The course was actually very exciting to drive. Constantly doing something, no time to think. offline by 1 inch lead to being late for the rest of the run. Very important to be percise.

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1999 Civic Si SSC (sold)--- officially a car whore!
2003 Mini Cooper S --- Runs with that other organization

I give the man credit for filing the protest, BUT don't say there's a problem with the speed of the course, then go make your runs and protest. That makes it souond like I got my Butt kicked ,so I'm gonna fix that---I'll protest the course like i wanted too and see what happens. I don't think thats the case here, but one might wonder????