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How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

Last post 09-22-2008, 4:53 PM by solo-x. 171 replies.
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  •  08-25-2008, 4:41 PM 317855 in reply to 316188

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Event #2 after the rebuild + chassis changes and still no real idea if it's faster or not. It is certainly not slower though. Mike and Chris were forced to bow out of their afternoon runs and only took a few morning runs after some ominous sounds coming from the BMW's drive train. The runs they did take were on the same tenth as my 2 quick scratch runs, on a course that had 2 slow digs, but with all the distractions it doesn't really mean anything. You can finally notice the car actually accelerates when it's being driven, and it doesn't feel like such a dog digging out of the corners. If nothing else it is a bunch more fun to drive. Still going through oil at a rate a little faster then I'd really like, but I'm starting to wonder if it might be coming through the breather/PCV system. I'll be doing another leak down test on the motor this week which should tell me more. C-ya all at Nationals!

    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  08-25-2008, 10:23 PM 317937 in reply to 317855

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    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    The rings may not be fully seated yet Nate. Justa thought.

     

    I think I might hafta do a last minute re-ring of my "new" FSP motor...... Not looking forward to this.


    Jay Storm
    96 Impreza L FSP
    98 98 Impreza 2.5RS- co-driver DSP
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  •  09-08-2008, 10:20 AM 320311 in reply to 317937

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Final update before nationals...

    Well, the pace has definitely quickened since the changes after Toledo. We've made some serious headway on the tire usage issue as well, getting ~50 runs (12 on Toledo concrete) out of the last pair of fronts before they started to cord. (previous pair only got 36 runs before being corded, ~30 runs before they were at the point these tires are at) The car has been quick enough now to cone away a top pax finish at the last two events, one on a sweeper intensive, slow course, the other on a very fast course with a couple of slow digs followed by straights to the top of 2nd gear. However, Mike has had car issues at one of those events and wasn't at the event yesterday, so I haven't been able to benchmark against him or Chris to see if I've gotten closer to them or not. I guess we'll find out in less then a week!

    Nate - praying for rain and slaloms...
     


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  09-08-2008, 11:40 AM 320330 in reply to 320311

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Just look for BMW's to crowd the top5. Wink
    DSP!
  •  09-08-2008, 2:22 PM 320379 in reply to 320330

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    L-ucky-S-ix:
    Just look for BMW's to crowd the top5. Wink

    While it is certainly a possibility, I hope that is not the case. I'd love to see one of the non-bmw's in the top 5 if for no other reason then to show that there is a diverse set of cars that can win in the class. Clearly I honestly believe that to be the case, or I wouldn't have built a car myself. Pure gravy if I can somehow pull out some inspired runs and break into the top 5 myself!
     


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  09-08-2008, 6:59 PM 320434 in reply to 320379

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    That would definitely be awesome to see since the class scares everyone away except those that have already established themselves in nats competition. I'm sure it's gonna be close this time around and defintitely craptacular to get up in the top ranks.
    DSP!
  •  09-08-2008, 7:47 PM 320447 in reply to 320311

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    solo-x:

    The car has been quick enough now to cone away a top pax finish at the last two events

    Wicked cool.  That's rad.  Freakin pissah?  I forget my east-coast language, but that's awesome.  FWIW, you're not the only one that thinks the ITR (among other things) can dethrone the BMWs.

     

    solo-x:

    Nate - praying for rain and slaloms...

    Sorry.  Bought a set of Hoosier Wets today AND a 10x20 carport-garage thing.  It won't be raining.

     

    Iain

  •  09-09-2008, 8:40 AM 320510 in reply to 320447

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Iain Mannix:

    Wicked cool.  That's rad.  Freakin pissah?  I forget my east-coast language, but that's awesome.  FWIW, you're not the only one that thinks the ITR (among other things) can dethrone the BMWs.

    Sorry.  Bought a set of Hoosier Wets today AND a 10x20 carport-garage thing.  It won't be raining.

    Iain

    So close! Wicked pissah! And damn you! I'll counter your rain tires and carport by washing AND waxing my car TWICE!!! 


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  09-20-2008, 4:06 PM 321981 in reply to 320510

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Awesome job at nationals Nate!!  I am sure you are kicking yourself on the cones, but you should be DAMN Proud of what you acomplished.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds as the car is developed further.

     

    Eric (watching DSP turn into a very interesting class) 

  •  09-22-2008, 11:39 AM 322422 in reply to 321981

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Crosser1:

    Awesome job at nationals Nate!!  I am sure you are kicking yourself on the cones, but you should be DAMN Proud of what you acomplished.  I can't wait to see how it unfolds as the car is developed further.

    Eric (watching DSP turn into a very interesting class) 

    Thanks Eric, yeah, I'm kicking myself a bit. Hard to get too disappointed though, as I was NOT expecting to be serious threat this year at all. I knew going in I hadn't exactly picked an easy class and compounded that by picking a relative unknown (save for Eric's trail blazing) car. And I did accomplish all of my goals for this year, so it's not all bad. I actually threw away a shot at the jacket twice. The first was by totally missing the setup for day 1, the second with the cones. On Day 1 I anticipated the car picking up a push as the weather warmed and the line came in, so I loosened the car up. Boy was that the wrong direction to go! The car was an evil, over-steering monster on my first run, ruining any confidence I had in the car. I thought that it was mostly due to cold rear tires on my first run, so only made a small adjustment to tighten the car up. Not surprisingly, my second run was no better then the first. Going in to my 3rd run I tightened the car up further, but again not nearly enough. I had to put in a clean run as the first two were dirty. I put in a really tentative, "scared" run that I didn't really feel good about but was clean and somehow good enough to get me into the trophies. A better drive on Thursday might have been enough combined with my clean run on Friday to give me a shot at the jacket.

    For Friday's runs I went back to what I'd run in the Pro Challenge rounds. That setup was what I felt to be a super conservative setup to deal with possible wet/dirty spots on course in the first round of the challenge. Turns out that setup is next to brilliant for HPT. The first run on Friday had a huge driving mistake but was up there with everyone else's first run times. My 2nd run was just a run to fix the one big mistake and put a clean one in the books. I was pretty comfortable with the time on that run, so went out on my 3rd with the goal of dropping a couple tenths. I was floored when I saw that 41.4 come up on the clock. True, if it had been clean I might be celebrating a national championship, but a bunch of other guys had cones on fast runs too, including Mike with his astounding 39.1 on the East course.

    DSP is a fun class for sure, and the guys in the class were all great. The wife has approved further spending to develop the car, so I'll start burning the bridges to easily go back to DS now. This winters list:

    1. Rebuild the engine, for real this time. The head is all set, so this time it will just be bottom end work. .010 overbore, new pistons, rings, bearings, and maybe I'll try my hand at blueprinting and parts-bin balancing....
    2. Rebuild the trans. There is a bearing going bad, so I'll freshen up all the bearings while I'm at it.
    3. Reduce weight. I missed my year 1 target by 75lbs. Next years target is another 50lbs lighter still, so I need to find a way to shed 125lbs this winter. This isn't going to be easy...
    4. Tune the ECU. An extra 500rpm would have really helped on the west course, and more mid-range never hurts.
    5. Some spring/bar experimenting. The springs/bars on the car were the same as at the first event of the season. The only things changed chassis wise throughout the year was rear alignment. I have some ideas on ways to improve corner entry balance and late corner rotation, so I'll be starting testing of those ideas at the next local event.
    6. Flares. I gotta make this thing look like a serious car instead of a backyard hack job!

    Things I learned at Nationals:

    1. My car is really sensitive to tire pressure changes at HPT. "Too loose" on Thursday was 5lbs of air more in the rear tires then Friday's "brilliant".
    2. When I pray for rain, I have to stipulate "no fawking mons00ns!!!!"

    PS. It was awesome meeting all of you DSP guys. I look forward to beating you all... er.... seeing! you all again next year!!! Stick out tongue

    PPS. I'll post some DL1 data logs later this week. Sustained g's and average speed through that finish sweeper should be interesting to compare to the BMW's!

    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
  •  09-22-2008, 3:22 PM 322491 in reply to 322422

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Yeah, that finish was soo much fun. I couldn't floor it around the whole turn.
    Damn good job once again.

    Evan


    DSP!
  •  09-22-2008, 4:53 PM 322524 in reply to 322491

    Re: How to ruin a good DS car OR How to dethrown the BMW's....

    Ah, and now I know where the 2nd cone on that 41.4 run came from. It was the first cone hitting the next cone in the wall. And I actually clipped the first cone in the last right side wall in that fast back section. It took so long for my brain to process the cone hit that I thought it was the last one in the wall. LOL.

    Picture for proof? http://gotcone.com/pgallery//images/2008_scca_tirerack_solo_national_championships_topeka__ks/dsp/img_7046.jpg  (thanks to the photog!) 


    Nate Whipple
    NER
    188/88 DSP ITR
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