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Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

Last post 12-01-2009, 5:03 PM by amaff. 132 replies.
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  •  03-10-2009, 3:24 PM 349868 in reply to 349796

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    Got the shocks from Jesse.  The wheels are a 16x10 real and the tires are the ones in the pics.  They are 35 compound 22x10 bias slicks.
  •  03-11-2009, 8:01 PM 350126 in reply to 349868

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    omaharam:
    Got the shocks from Jesse.  The wheels are a 16x10 real and the tires are the ones in the pics.  They are 35 compound 22x10 bias slicks.

    I'm running the same shocks this year.  Cool

    Three seasons ago, I was running the same wheel & tire package.  I had trouble getting enough heat in the tires in our moderate climate with asphalt lots, and didn't really care for the vague feel of the bias-ply slicks - so I switched to 275/35-15 A6's.  Do you have to run spacers to clear the front brake calipers like I did, or has Real changed the wheels to provide more clearance?


    Steve Garnjobst
    #75 DP
    Featuring 100 less horsepower for 2010!
    http://www.mnautox.com/
  •  03-11-2009, 8:25 PM 350130 in reply to 350126

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    No spacers for caliper clearance.  Don't know if Real has made any changes, but these wheels are old.  Bought them in 97 or 98 - not sure.  As for the tires, already having the wheels, there were not a lot of options.  It's a two driver car, so the only heat issue would be the first driver's first run possibly.  We considered A6s, but the supposed guru at Hoosier said that on concrete we'd be better off with the slicks and there is not a good size for a 16" rim anyway. Our only other viable choice was a radial slick that would have been 7lbs heavier per tire and $75 more per tire.  We'll give these a shot.  The biggest question will be the initial alignment settings since all the suggested settings are for radials.

    Tubing for the new roll bar will be here Friday.  Cusco still can't give me an answer on the lsd, so the 6" vlsd may be going back in the car for now, which ticks me off because we will have to try to get the car sorted twice that way.

  •  03-12-2009, 1:13 AM 350178 in reply to 350130

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    omaharam:
    The biggest question will be the initial alignment settings since all the suggested settings are for radials.

    Those tires need WAY less camber and pressure than the A6's or radial slicks.  It's been a while, but if IIRC my optimal camber settings were -1.5 degrees or less with the 22 x 10's. 


    Steve Garnjobst
    #75 DP
    Featuring 100 less horsepower for 2010!
    http://www.mnautox.com/
  •  03-31-2009, 12:49 AM 354206 in reply to 350178

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    We have yet another local driver working on an XP build this winter.  It's an early Impreza with WRX power.  By the time he's done, I swear the entire car will be built from carbon fiber! Surprise
    http://forum.mnautox.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10719

    Now I just need to talk him into bringing the thing to Nationals.

    -Steve 


    Steve Garnjobst
    #75 DP
    Featuring 100 less horsepower for 2010!
    http://www.mnautox.com/
  •  04-08-2009, 12:21 PM 355752 in reply to 354206

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    Well thanks to SCCA's decision to put the Solo Nationals on the same week as NASA's Nationals (which had posted their dates months earlier than SCCA) we won't be running our XP car in Nebraska. As a vendor we need to be at both the SCCA and NASA National events to support our customers, and with XP running Thurs-Friday and NASA running Thursday-Sunday, we're not able to make both events. We've talked to a number of other vendors and even competitors that wanted to be at both events who are also pissed at having to choose one over the other. This sucks.

    This sort of happened last year, and my business partner Brian missed running the Solo Nats to cover NASA, but at least the events were 3 days apart. This year they are on the exact same days. 52 weeks in a year and they have to pick the same damn week? I've heard the excuses already, that SCCA doesn't look at other clubs and they had this date set much sooner, but this is the SCCA's #1 competing club who (according to press releases from both orgs) had their date set months earlier. Just sucks.

    Bummed. Sad


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    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
  •  04-08-2009, 1:59 PM 355770 in reply to 355752

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    I am currently stuffing one of these

    Into one of these

    I know the engine is a little heavy (100lbs more than a small block Chevy) but I'll sacrifice that for the sound of a V12.  I'm using a narrowed Jag front suspension (double wishbone) and a 240SX rear suspension, tied together with tubes. I'll get a thread going with pics as soon as I have something more significant accomplished than chalk lines on the floor.

     


    1994 Provincial HS Champion
    1996 Provincial AS Champion
    2008 KC Tour-CS Trophy winner
    2008 Nationals Rookie-CS Trophy winner
    2009 Houston Tour-CS winner

  •  04-08-2009, 7:31 PM 355833 in reply to 355770

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    We're thinkin' of going back to XP this season. E Mod is good but there's not much competition up this way.....even at the NT. There is a couple folks running XP hereabouts and our times are pretty close. I don't figure they are standing still but neither are we. Just gotta add 50ish pounds of ballast and we'll be good to go......we can't get within 100 pounds of the E Mod minimums.
    old guy
  •  04-08-2009, 8:27 PM 355841 in reply to 355833

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    Well JP and I have been trading stoies and secrets (well most of them) and some day we will meet in one day at the start line.

    We will probably make history with two XP 914's at the same event.


    Want to go faster, please send money.
  •  04-09-2009, 12:15 AM 355895 in reply to 355770

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    loosecannon:

    tied together with tubes.

     

     

    Not sure exactly what you are planning, but be aware that "in excess" cars are not allowed in XP.

  •  04-09-2009, 12:44 AM 355899 in reply to 355895

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    omaharam:
    loosecannon:

    tied together with tubes.

     

     

    Not sure exactly what you are planning, but be aware that "in excess" cars are not allowed in XP.

    I took a look at an orange XP vette at nationals last year and what I have planned is nowhere near what that monster is, but what does "in excess" mean anyways? I'm building the car from scratch with the rule book in front of me so I expect no problems.


    1994 Provincial HS Champion
    1996 Provincial AS Champion
    2008 KC Tour-CS Trophy winner
    2008 Nationals Rookie-CS Trophy winner
    2009 Houston Tour-CS winner

  •  04-09-2009, 7:06 AM 355916 in reply to 355899

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    Yea, "Exactly" what does Excess mean.
    Want to go faster, please send money.
  •  04-09-2009, 8:08 AM 355921 in reply to 355916

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    Don't quite understand the rule either. Appears to be saying you can't substitute rules from the GTCS or PCS as far as allowed mods go. But wouldn't those mods likely be allowed in XP in anyhow. As long as the engine is oriented that same and you sit to one side or the other there is not much that is not allowed. Perhap this eliminates some aero changes or something. 17.11.A basically says cars preped to GTCS or PCS can run in their respective prepared class.

    XP rule number 8 excludes 17.11.A a person would have to compare the GTCS rules to the XP rules to find out why.

  •  04-09-2009, 4:24 PM 356003 in reply to 355921

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    17.2 of the prepared rules

    B. Chassis, frame, or subframe may be reinforced, provided components
    and attachments are not relocated except where specifically
    permitted. Reinforcing does not authorize the use of belly
    pans forward of the firewall, or aft of the front edge of the rear
    wheel opening. It is permitted to have jack points recessed into
    the rocker panels, or to have one tube per side extending downward
    through the bottom of the door, provided they do not
    extend beyond the overall width of the car or in an unsafe or
    dangerous manner. No part of the bodywork or chassis, to the
    rear of the front wheel opening, shall touch the ground when
    both tires on the same side of the car are deflated.


    C. The chassis, frame, or subframe may be notched or cut and
    brackets may be added for the purpose of attaching alternate
    suspension or drivetrain components, except that the firewall may
    not be modified for engine block or cylinder head clearance.
    Holes may be cut to provide clearance for authorized suspension
    and drivetrain components, through their entire range of travel.
    Additional structure may be added in order to attach allowed
    components to the chassis.

    D. Replacement of any chassis component (e.g. subframe) in its
    entirety by one of alternate construction, unless specifically
    permitted, shall result in the vehicle being “in excess” of these
    rules and weight penalties and/or competitive adjustments may
    apply.

    17.11 OTHER
    A. Vehicles prepared in excess of Solo allowances and prepared up
    to either the current GTCS or PCS are permitted to compete in
    their respective Prepared classes. Section 17.8.B.7 minimum
    track requirements apply. Minimum weight will be 110% of the
    Solo minimum weight from Appendix A plus any Solo weight penalties
    (wheel size penalties, etc.). Vehicles taking advantage of this
    allowance may use Solo or GTCS/PCS allowances in whole, in part
    or in combination. Cars which are not listed in the GTCS or PCS
    may not use this allowance, and are limited to the modifications
    allowed in Section 17. For those cars which have been de-listed
    from the current year GTCS/PCS, upon member request the
    appropriate specifications will be developed and added to Appendix
    A. An exception to the GTCS will be that open cars are
    permitted, provided they comply with all provisions of Section
    17 pertaining specifically to open cars.

     

    Prepared Class X

    XP vehicles must conform to the rules in Section 17 except as noted
    herein. This class is for almost any production car using almost any automotive
    drivetrain. Any vehicle meeting the requirements of 17.A.2, listed
    in another Prepared class in Appendix A, specifically listed in CP, DP, EP, FP
    or GP that is not required to run at 17.11.A specified weights, or listed
    below is eligible for XP. 17.11.A does not apply. “In-excess” cars are not
    eligible for XP.

    8. OTHER
    Vehicles exceeding these rules and prepared to the GCR/GTCS or
    GCR/PCS are not eligible for this class.

     

    You can not have a tube frame car.  The original frame and structure must remain.  You can notch it, ad brackets to it, reinforce it, etc., but your suspension and body have to attach to factory structure.  You cannot replace structural components in XP and simply take a weight penalty like you can in the other prepared classes.

  •  04-09-2009, 4:31 PM 356004 in reply to 356003

    Re: Who's working on what in 2009 for XP?

    I'm not very concerned about the tube frame rule, I think I can work around that and be legal, the problem is the firewall rule-I can't put a V12 where a V8 was already tight-back to the rule book I go.
    1994 Provincial HS Champion
    1996 Provincial AS Champion
    2008 KC Tour-CS Trophy winner
    2008 Nationals Rookie-CS Trophy winner
    2009 Houston Tour-CS winner

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