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Last post 06-08-2008, 4:12 PM by Ralph Giro. 112 replies.
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  •  06-06-2008, 2:43 PM 304252 in reply to 304246

    Re: Mix them all up

    Dude! Back away from the crack pipe.  Stick out tongue
  •  06-06-2008, 2:50 PM 304254 in reply to 304246

    Re: Mix them all up

    Ok, boys and girls, looks like we slid by on this one, but now its time to get those cars out and bring the numbers up again. Last year, a handful of us raced our asses of towards the end of the season to help the average. I will drag out all 4 of our cars to any race in the country, if some of ya'll will come out and race! I'm gonna challange Joel to do the same in the NE. Lets see if we can get C back up where it belongs....JM

  •  06-06-2008, 2:53 PM 304259 in reply to 304254

    Re: Mix them all up

    Joe,

    By "where it belongs", you mean up in mid-pack where the average turnouts are still less than 5 cars per race?  This is what you strive for?

    Why are you holding on so hard?  MAJOR CHANGES need to happen in the national program.  Heroic efforts to get the SSC count up are just postponing the inevitable.  How about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem?  Embrace the brave new world that needs to happen instead of holding on to a dying class in a dying program.


     


    Josh Sirota
    Go, Dog. Go! Racing
  •  06-06-2008, 2:57 PM 304261 in reply to 304252

    Re: Mix them all up

    Ditto!

    Dave, I wish you or Ed would have run the Subie and even better yet a Solstice in Seattle last week. I started last in a field of 28 cars ( transponder issues) and finished 1st overall and I would bet a weeks sakary that Ed in his last years Solstice ( with this years restrictor) would have killed me. Again a case of what's a good restriction for one car is not necessarily an effective fix for another car.


    Joe Hermes
    T2 #22
    Gran Prix Imports
    Lamborghini Portland
    Joe@gpimports.com
  •  06-06-2008, 3:12 PM 304265 in reply to 304261

    Re: Mix them all up

    "I would bet a weeks sakary"

    Hey Joe, what are they paying you in these days, rice wine?

    I was going to have Lance drive the Subi but he wanted to play in the Miata instead. Ed was tied up in his T1/T3 effort. We are going to get Lance qualified for the Runoffs but I wasn't interested in having to put together a GXP for him to be in the hunt. Poor little Subi just sits around unloved.Sad 

  •  06-06-2008, 3:16 PM 304267 in reply to 304259

    Re: Mix them all up

    How are we as active SSC or SSB drivers part of the problem?  WTF?  Those who leave the class are part of the problem; not those who stay and try to make a difference. 

    I believe that virtually everyone agrees that some type of wholesale changes to SCCA Club Racing are needed.  It is my opinion, though, that those changes need to be carefully considered as part of a long term plan before making rash decisions.  Haven't we run off enough competitors from SSB and SSC already?  No need to bankrupt anyone overnight either. 

    Josh, your posts are growing old very fast.  Instead of criticizing others ideas, please share your ideas in great detail.  I don't know you personally but I know you are an experienced racer and I'd welcome hearing more of your thoughts. 

    I'm definitely frustrated with the state of affairs too...I'm not singling anyone out but I'm growing tired of the folks who have sold their cars still coming on here to complain.  Get over it or get back involved.  I welcome all of you b/c there are some damn good racers on the sidelines.  I just don't get it...I raced SM here in TX in it's infancy but I don't go back on specmiata.com and *** and moan about their issues.  ???      


    Steve Taake
    SSC #5
    SWDiv SCCA
  •  06-06-2008, 3:32 PM 304272 in reply to 304224

    Re: Mix them all up

    Can't disagree with this statement.  And when there is a gross error (ala the Mini Cooper S in SSC) fix it as swiftly as possible (without overeacting). 
    Steve Taake
    SSC #5
    SWDiv SCCA
  •  06-06-2008, 5:08 PM 304291 in reply to 304267

    Re: Mix them all up

    taake1201:

    How are we as active SSC or SSB drivers part of the problem?  WTF?  Those who leave the class are part of the problem; not those who stay and try to make a difference. 

    I believe that virtually everyone agrees that some type of wholesale changes to SCCA Club Racing are needed.  It is my opinion, though, that those changes need to be carefully considered as part of a long term plan before making rash decisions.  Haven't we run off enough competitors from SSB and SSC already?  No need to bankrupt anyone overnight either. 

    Josh, your posts are growing old very fast.  Instead of criticizing others ideas, please share your ideas in great detail.  I don't know you personally but I know you are an experienced racer and I'd welcome hearing more of your thoughts. 

    I'm definitely frustrated with the state of affairs too...I'm not singling anyone out but I'm growing tired of the folks who have sold their cars still coming on here to complain.  Get over it or get back involved.  I welcome all of you b/c there are some damn good racers on the sidelines.  I just don't get it...I raced SM here in TX in it's infancy but I don't go back on specmiata.com and *** and moan about their issues.  ???      

    Fairn enough Steve, I gave up on this SS/T nonsense after 2006.  So I'm an outsider.

    But I'm still a racer, and most especially, an SCCA Club Racer, and this is my club too.  I've been a member for 20 years.  I care about it.

    You are right -- active racers are not part of the problem, as far as that statement goes.  But just trying to get cars out of mothballs to bring the turnout for a single class up from the bottom to middle-of-the-pack does nothing in the big picture to fix the whole problem.  It's the STRUCTURE of the racing program that's broken.  People who fight any changes to the structure because they are personally happy can't see the forest for the trees.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think that the recent failed attempt at restructuring was 'the answer' either -- I think they didn't go nearly far enough.  Too conservative.

    I think that times have changed enough to the point where the basic premises behind the club racing program need to be revisited.  The economy is falling apart, so there's a smaller pool of potential racers.  Traveling to races has become the most expensive part of racing (partially due to all of our love for our enclosed trailers and big tow vehicles).  Structuring the program so that there's an expectation that drivers will travel all over the US in order to race doesn't make sense.

    Most national classes are even less subcribed at regionals across the country than they are at nationals.  Regions make up classes to please their members.  The same members.  Why aren't the most popular regional classes also national classes?  It's called turf protection, and this is where the recent letter-writing campaigns against the proposed consolidation have me upset.  What good does turf protection do?  You guys all really want to run in a tiny SSC class with no end in sight?  Do you really think that not making any more Mini Cooper S blunders is going to bring back the class in this economy?  Really?  Where will the racers come from?  Even if you believe it, how far back can it get?  If it's not one of the top 5 classes, it will still have tiny turnouts despite your best efforts.

    The goal should be to have turnouts in every class of at least 10 cars at every race.   If the average turnout at a national race is 123 drivers (from the latest spreadsheet), then, in my opinion, we should have only 12 classes, or have some sort of active program that predicts future growth in race turnouts in order to justify more classes than that.  I'm not sure what happens to the numbers when you add regional races into the mix -- I know it probably doubles the number of classes though, and probably only slightly raises the average turnout.

    I have some ideas about specifically what to do, but those ideas would be more in the nature of "complete overhaul" than "turf protection."  I would study the market, and the existing classes and racers wouldn't be nearly as powerful a lobby as the current powers-that-be allow them to be.  This is a member-driven club, but unfortunately right now, the members are steering the ship straight into the side of a mountain.  We need leadership, we need some tough decisions.  I would like to believe that a large portion of the membership is like me, and is passionate about the club, and they would stick with the club through the changes rather than taking their car and playing elsewhere.

    With that all said, I'll take your suggestion and stop posting in forums where I no longer have a car.  Sorry to interrupt.  I'm out.


     


    Josh Sirota
    Go, Dog. Go! Racing
  •  06-06-2008, 5:59 PM 304299 in reply to 304291

    Re: Mix them all up

    Josh, perhaps I got my panties in a wad and overinterpreted the tone of your last few posts.  Don't stop posting. 

    P.S.  I may have run your old Mazda 3 a couple of times.  If not, I know it's the one of the sister cars for sure. 


    Steve Taake
    SSC #5
    SWDiv SCCA
  •  06-06-2008, 7:48 PM 304312 in reply to 304254

    Re: Mix them all up

    Jmac36:

    Ok, boys and girls, looks like we slid by on this one, but now its time to get those cars out and bring the numbers up again. Last year, a handful of us raced our asses of towards the end of the season to help the average. I will drag out all 4 of our cars to any race in the country, if some of ya'll will come out and race! I'm gonna challange Joel to do the same in the NE. Lets see if we can get C back up where it belongs....JM

    Joe,

    I haven't been able to contact Hugh--no response.  I'd love to drive his car at the Sprints if you could bring it, but can't get through, can you?  My car will not be ready. I can't find a B car to run.Crying

    Jack 


    Jack SSB Z4 #09

  •  06-07-2008, 3:51 PM 304361 in reply to 304312

    Re: Mix them all up

    Jack, if it was in anyway possible I'd put you in our 2nd Civic.  All you need is a job at Honda....
    Honda/BF Goodrich/ Cobalt Friction/AEM/Traqmate
  •  06-07-2008, 4:16 PM 304367 in reply to 304361

    Re: Mix them all up

    lniff42:
    Jack, if it was in anyway possible I'd put you in our 2nd Civic.  All you need is a job at Honda....

    Lee,

    Thanks, I'd love to drive the second car for a race.  How about a weekend of mowing grass or pushing brooms somewhere at a Honda plant, or dealership?  Would that make me a temp and perhaps qualify me for the ride?  Hmm

    Is being a Honda employee required for your cars, or is that a requirement to get the contingency stuff?  If it is required, doesn't that make you a paid factory driver and, by extension, your race program a factory program?  Doesn't that make you and Chad and Chase Honda's Heinrockets?Huh?

    I owned a Prelude and a CRX Si at one time--does that help?Wink 


    Jack SSB Z4 #09

  •  06-08-2008, 4:12 PM 304431 in reply to 304291

    Re: Mix them all up

    Josh is correct.  As an SCCA member, officer and racer for almost 40years the classifications are totally out of control.  I can't tell nor keep up with all the Turf classes.  Nor can I begin to explain them with any logic to someone interested in SCCA.  A major restructuring of all classes Regional and National will need to be done.  I just hope I can afford to run a few races a year and enjoy the sport. 
    Ralph Giro
    2002 Neon ACR
    Gainesville, Florida
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