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The June Fastrack has the PAC/SEB proposal for GP.  The plan is to add some cars, but with limited preparation to make them less expensive and easier to build.

Check it out at http://scca.com/documents/Fastrack/08-fastrack-june-solo.pdf 

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Steve Hudson
DP Miata

Personally, I think a limited prep GP is a great idea, and long overdue.  Being able to bring in some "slightly faster" cars from DP and EP with a friendlier prep level will open it up to a broader audience. 

My only reservation is that the overall lists seem incomplete.  If you remember, I had proposed a class change for the Fiat 128 to GP last year, which got turned down.  So, now we have a vehicle nearly identical in power, weight, prep ability to cars in GP and cars on this proposed limited prep GP list, but it isn't allowed in GP.  Where is the consistency?  Perhaps there are just a few more smallish cars than need to be brought into GP in either full prep, or limited prep.  Or both.  Give the option to run either prep level and deal with the weight issue.

 

The inclusion of the Porche 914-4 1.8L is interesting too.  But it begs the question...why aren't other similar 1.6 to 2.0L sports cars from the time period on the list?  Fiat 124 Spider, Alfa etc.  Again, it just seems like the list might be missing a few.

 

Chris H.

 

 

Chris,

We relied pretty heavily on the work done by our comrades in Club Racing to develop the proposal.  We didn't address other potential additions to GP that weren't already on the GCR Limited Prep list, as time constraints precluded duplicating the detailed specifications that Club Racing has refined over an extended period of time. The cars included were from G & H Production, and we erred on the side of caution, in not including a few cars, where there were concerns that performance potential might not be in line with current GP cars.  We stayed away from Limited Prep F Production cars, as those clearly seemed too fast for GP.  If you feel this approach was too conservative, or have other input regarding the proposal, please submit your comments to SEB@scca.com.

There certainly may be other cars that could be considered for a move to GP.  However, we haven't identified any cars languishing in other classes that seem to offer significant potential for swelling the ranks of GP.  If anyone thinks we missed something, feel free to submit a proposal to the SEB.

-Steve

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Steve Garnjobst
#75 XP
'99 Mazda Mutant

Snore.  I don't see much there that would get anyone under 40 excited about Prepared except maybe the Hondas.....which are platforms that already have a reasonably competitive place to play in Prepared.   I'd be surprised if this added more than 5 cars to the class at Nationals by 2012.   When you've resorted to asking people build Renault Alliances, non-16V Swift 1.3s,  Datsun 210s, Ford Fiestas, or Fiat 124s to bring participation up in a class, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.  GP, thy future is bleak indeed. 

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Once you go Mac, you never go back!

The long wheelbase SOHC Fiat 128 sedan seems like a natural here.  The 128SL and 3P with the 87" WB might not fit, but several cars on the list are not that much different in size. 

BTW, the 1592cc and 1608cc Fiat 124 Coupes are DOHC.  Some early 124 sedans had push rod motors, later ones are DOHC.

Gene Cooley

Howdy,

gary p:

Snore.  I don't see much there that would get anyone under 40 excited about Prepared except maybe the Hondas.....which are platforms that already have a reasonably competitive place to play in Prepared.   I'd be surprised if this added more than 5 cars to the class at Nationals by 2012.   When you've resorted to asking people build Renault Alliances, non-16V Swift 1.3s,  Datsun 210s, Ford Fiestas, or Fiat 124s to bring participation up in a class, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.  GP, thy future is bleak indeed. 

Ditto, but I'd love to be proved wrong.

I'm surprised that there isn't a limited prep choice for a miata or mr2 here.  Seems like with the old weight from back in the "combined DP" days & limited motor/suspension work it'd be a good fit?

Mark

marka:

I'm surprised that there isn't a limited prep choice for a miata or mr2 here.  Seems like with the old weight from back in the "combined DP" days & limited motor/suspension work it'd be a good fit?

It's probable a Miata (and other cars listed under F Production Limited Prep) would be significantly faster than the current GP cars.  To slow them down enough, allowances would need to be further limited and/or weights would need to go up.  The hard part is determining what those limits should be to keep the cars competitive, but not dominant. Feel free to suggest a methodology where more cars could be added to the mix - preferably using the GCR Limited Prep rules & car listings as a starting point.

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Steve Garnjobst
#75 XP
'99 Mazda Mutant

I was just thinking of what kind of power a 1.8L 914 engine would make on a budget.

NOT much.  However with big bucks an E production engine with high RPM and a narrow power band about 180 ish.   Not and Autocross engine. Oh and about 25,000 dollars.

An autocross engine good heads 2,000 bucks the rest of the motor to the limit another 3 grand if you are thrifty. maybe 120 HP with about 100 ft lbs of torque. all Flywheel numbers. 

 

Pass on GP

 

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