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Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

Last post 10-06-2009, 7:48 AM by hancheyb. 48 replies.
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  •  03-19-2009, 10:50 AM 351774 in reply to 351072

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)


    Well, I was hoping to have all the race results in before I posted an update from the weekend.  Last Saturday Terry and I took the Evo to MSR for the NASA event.  The weather was pretty bad when we got there.  It was in the low 40s, still raining and misty.  The track was super slick.  We were there late, but no point in going out since the weatherman said it would dry out slowly.  Time Trial is a "best lap" effort so there's no point in beating the car up.  

    And it was sloooow to dry.  The track wasn't fully dried till our 4:30 session later that day.  Our first afternoon session was almost dry.  The car turned a 1:27 in still slick conditions.  That was good for 4th in the group behind two Vipers and a ZO6.  The last session had some more "big guns" come out and the guys with R compounds started showing their grip.  We managed a 1:25.1 in the Evo which was good enough to win TTA, and be within a few tenths of being a front runner in TTS.  While a 1:25 isn't super fast when you consider the Evo is 3600 pounds and we still have the Dunlop 245mm street tires (Star Specs), a 1:25 doesn't sound so bad.  A lighter, raced prepped E36 BMW usually runs 1:24s on Hoosiers for a comparison.  So given the cold weather, the drying conditions and the prep of the car, we were happy with the results.  

    The car felt really awesome pretty much everywhere.  It could use more power, but turn-in, mid corner, and corner exit were all great.  For once, it had a touch of oversteer which was nice and much different than our first event at Eagle's Canyon on stock suspension.  I was getting pulled on the straights by all the TTS and up cars, but usually closed the gap in the tighter turns (thank you autocross!).  The Evo was definitely fast in the turns making 1.28g according to the DL-1.  It made 1.15g in braking a time or two.




    Sunday Terry and Amy took the Evo to Pennington Field for a SCCA autocross.  Amy ran in "Women's" and Terry ran in the "X" class.  Both classes are PAX based.  Since he's probably running different cars this year, he wanted to be in a class that allowed that.  Amy smoked even STU Open with a 37.2.  That would have won STU by 0.4s!  Terry was a few tenths behind with a 37.4.  Amy wrapped up the 10th spot in PAX in a field of 148.  That's an encouraging result, but still the car was 1.5s out of 1st place in PAX which means we'll need to do better to place well at Nationals.  Considering the level of prep, this definitely was a promising finish in its 2nd autocross ever (with shocks).  The transmission comes through again with some 2-1 downshifts and 2-3 upshifts you'd never dare do manually.  Thumbs up to the SST!

    Needless to say, the new spring rates really helped at the track and autocross course.  Terry said the car turned in so fast you had to rethink your driving.  This is definitely a change from the first autocross at TAMSCC where it was a little sluggish.




    New things coming soon:



    1. Race seats - get some of the "lead" out.  The car is making enough grip now that even the awesome stock seats aren't cutting it.
    2. Yokohama AD08s - this should be worth a few tenths at least over our beat up Star Specs, most likely much more.
    3. Lighter and wider wheels - we'll probably get a 18x9 or 9.5 for the car, possibly 18x10s for the track wheels.
    4. Lighter brakes - see if we can't get some weight off the front with some Racing Brake goodies.  The stock brakes are still marginal at best on the track.

    Brian Hanchey
    AST Suspension - USA
  •  03-30-2009, 11:48 AM 353994 in reply to 348897

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)



    Another fun weekend in the Evo! We joined the BMW CCA Saturday at MSR-C for their DE and Club Race. Kudos to Bruce Heersink and team for running a great event!

    This was a great test after our NASA event two weeks ago where we ran very tired 245/40-18 Dunlop Z1 Star Specs. We switched to Yokohama AD07s (265/35/18s) and Enkei 18x10.5 wheels. The AD07s are on closeout since the AD08s are around the corner. This was a chance to try something new and bigger, for this "bigger" car. Robert Fuller of RobiSpec shipped out the wheels the day I called and we had them two days later. Thanks Robi! A mid week trip in the pouring rain to MSR where AJ at Performance Speed Tech had our Yoks and we were ready to go. The 265s were a perfect fit for the fronts. The rears required a little fender rolling, but we made sure to stick to the "letter of the law" for STU so they aren't aggressively rolled in the least. With the right offset rears, we believe we can run 285s no sweat. The front easily swallows it. We'll most likely settle on AD08s in 285mm width for NASA TT use.



    Looking over the DL-1 data from the NASA event two weeks ago, we had max values of 1.25g lateral, with 98% values of 1.05g on the Dunlops. Using 98% values rules out the occasional variance in the data. The weather was almost identical for the two weekends, with most sessions were in the 40°s with high winds sustained at 25-35 mph, with gusts even higher - not your perfect day at the track. I had to close my helmet visor the wind would blow so hard into the car on the south side of the track that it would move your head!

    The new, unshaved AD07 Yoks pulled a max of 1.40g and 98% values of 1.15g. So basically we picked up 0.1g going from a Dunop with 2/32" of tread to a full tread, wider Yokohama. Shaving the tires can be good for 1-2s a lap depending. Lap times were a second faster as well. The DL-1 recorded a 1:24.2 vs. a 1:25.1 from two weeks ago. Not that you can put much into theoretical laps, but the DL-1 says the "perfect" lap would have been a 1:23.4. I would believe it though since there wasn't a perfectly, traffic free, clean lap in any of the 4 DE sessions (unlike in NASA TT, there's only 4 places to pass at MSR in a DE). Unfortunately we could not take in reliable tire data during all this. We started with 36/34 psi and the outside tires climbed to 58/55. Yes, hard to believe. The car had an obvious tire pressure induced push towards the end of each session, no doubt related to the insane tire pressures. We didn't have enough sessions to play with pressures or tire temps. The tires weren't rolling over to the edges so the pressures we used were not ideal - 5-10mm of the tire tread wasn't even being used at these high pressures.



    I lost the 2nd session entirely, betting 3/4 of a tank of fuel was enough, but on the first lap the car fuel starved and I had to go get filled up. The EVO does use some fuel in track use. Now that we've really got the car working, it can't even make a 20 minute session without fuel starving! MSR has a complex of left handers that ends up being one constant arc called "Buzzard's Neck". By the end of 20 minutes the poor EVO would fuel starve coming onto the straight after that sequence of left handers - Not ideal.

    So another great weekend in the EVO. No issues, and no trans overheating. What's it like to drive? It is "simply amazing". It turns in when you want it to, it is so easy to correct in mid corner. Terry drove it on the new tires briefly and was shocked at how instantaneously it responds to steering inputs. It also never feels like you're in trouble even when the back end comes around, with a quick flick adjustment of the wheel putting the car back on line. Here is a car that has to run full of fuel, is daily driven, can carry 4 adults, and with driver and fuel probably weighs 3800 pounds (we're going to weigh it this week), on full tread street tires, and it turns 1:24s at MSR. That would have put it towards the front third of the qualifying grid for the BMW Club racers, most of whom are on Hoosiers and weigh around 1000 pounds less. We barely have any power mods either - the car is probably 80hp shy of most hard core track driven EVO Xs now. So we're happy with the track times its putting down.

    So next up is the Houston SCCA National Tour this coming weekend, switching gears to STU class autocrossing. We're sort of in a jam on tires, unfortunately. Its 5 days before the event and we're not sure if we're getting the new tires or not. Long story, out of our control.

    After that event we'll be installing race seats and a harness bar and heading to COBB for an updated "retune". They've played with the MIVEC and are getting more torque - sounds good to us. Our new inverted strut AST 5200s should be here this week, too. When we get the LS1 BMW back together (new LS2 based 550hp motor is done and going in soon!) we'll take both cars to MSR and try to do some comparable lap times of 4200s vs 5200s on the EVO.
    Brian Hanchey
    AST Suspension - USA
  •  03-30-2009, 4:09 PM 354065 in reply to 353994

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    Update: New wheels and tires

    A little more info on the wheels Brian mentioned above. This is the new track setup we're using for now, until the 285/30/18 Yokohama AD08 comes out. The 285 should fit the front great, but the back wheel might need more backspace.


    L: Stock BBS 18x8.5" and 245mm Advan = 46.8 pounds. R: Enkei 18x10.5" and 265mm AD07 = 48.5 pounds

    Front:

    Fronts fit like a dream, no spacer. Lots of clearance inside and out. Wheel alone was 21.6 pounds

    Rear:



    Rear fender lips had to be rolled, but it didn't take much.



    We also tried a 18x10 Enkei ET38 wheel and it fit the rear much better, but needed a spacer in front. If we go to a 285mm tire we may get two of these 18x10s for the rear and keep the 10.5" wheels we have now up front. This way they would all fit without spacers.
    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
  •  04-06-2009, 6:52 PM 355404 in reply to 354065

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    What a weekend or maybe an entire week. We had plans to go to the Houston SCCA National Tour and participate in the STU class. That all started going "haywire" a week earlier. We had originally hoped to run the new Yokohama AD08 at the event only to find out at the last minute that wouldn't be possible, but we'd have the tires "next week"....*just* not in time for the Tour. So, we really didn't see the point in buying another set of tires at $1000 for one event, surely our old Dunlops could make one last run right? Surely the well setup Evo could muster a competitive placement even on old tires right? At the last minute we decided to go ahead and install a Cobb downpipe and cat "test" pipe. On Thursday I headed over to Cobb Plano to get our STU and TT maps updated before leaving at 4AM Friday for Houston. I'm driving down there when all of the sudden, out of nowhere comes a heavy duty tie down (think bulldozer "come along") into view as I change lanes to exit. The giant BANG and almost immediate left tug of the wheel told me that this was "not good". I pulled on the shoulder to find the sidewall cut into shreds and our new Enkei wheel with a gash in it. Luckily Fair was following me, but of course, we had put 17mm lug nuts and the factory was 21mm. After going to Stett Performance to borrow a socket we had the spare on. Fair drove to the shop, picked up the Dunlops and drove back to Cobb since you can't really dyno on a spare. While out, he mounted a 3 year old Advan AD07 (matching brand/size as the other three tires from our NASA TT setup, except bald and MUCH older) on the Enkei as a "back up" for the Tour, and to run at the Friday practice. This was a tire our friend and former STU competitor Mike Simanyi threw away and sent to us for fitment testing. Basically it was junk. But we wouldn't need it right? I mean we couldn't even drive on the street with it since it was below the tread bars and the others were new, with the AWD you know. Tuning wrapped up, we loaded the car with the Enkeis on it to practice Friday since the Dunlops were already beyond their usable life. Remember the Enkeis have 265 tires on them, not legal for STU. So the trip down was without incident. We had a trailer tire blowout a week ago so we bought 4 new ones. It was an expensive week. :) More on this later. We started the practice on the Advans with the bad Mike Simanyi tire on the left front. I helped Paul Magyar with his STI's setup while Terry and Amy drove the Evo. I drove the Evo and it didn't feel right to me, but obviously pushed with the "bad" AD07 on the front. Still the car was faster than other guys practicing by 0.5s on a 30s course. We went to lunch, came back and mounted the Dunlops. Terry's first run was 0.75s slower than the AD07s. That was a shocker. Well, we weren't going to come all that way to come in last in STU just because we had a last minute snafu on tires. Buying another set at 3PM on Friday having zero testing on Bridgestones or Toyos didn't make sense. We still want to try the Yoks when they are out. We decided to "punt" and sign up for BSP on the 265s. Since the car pushed a little we decided to put the bad tire on the back and we called it a night. Certainly disappointed. We didn't bring a BSP car to the event after all. Saturday morning we're ready to go. BSP was in the same run group as STU so at least we could compare times with STU drivers. Terry makes his first run and the car is terrible, unlike any time we've ever run it. It oversteers like it is on ice. I'm not much better wagging the tail out everywhere and taking cones or just DNFs since I was so off track. Terry actually puts a mid 60.6 run down but hits the last cone. The fastest STU driver was a 61.6. OK, so even with the poor handling the car is "in the hunt". We're disappointed, but hey, the car is capable. Amy runs after us in Heat 2, Grid B. We drive the car over after asking our competitors if they care. They didn't so we leave. More on this later. :) Amy takes one run and says the car is undriveable. We knew this already, but we were hoping she'd be OK. We decide to swap the bad tire back to the front. Amy makes her second run and gets a clean 61.1 BEATING the boys. Now, most will argue the course was cleaner, conditions were better. Anything NOT to let a Ladies driver beat them. BTW, she did the same at Nationals one year. Gulf Greyhound Park actually gets WORSE as the day goes on. It makes so much gravel there becomes one line and if you deviate, it's over. So we leave Saturday excited that the car seems to be better even if we're basically on 3 tires, obviously slightly bigger tires with a junk tire. The course was reversed Sunday so we swapped the bad one to the right for the Sunday runs. There were really only two left hand turns so we picked the lesser of two evils. We start Sunday with Terry's first run. Terry pulls out a 57.2. Most STU cars at this point were in the 59s and high 58s all dirty. Terry had a cone as well. I get in and run a clean 57.5. The best STU car is a 58.0 from Wiggy in an Evo RS. A great run no doubt. Good enough to move him into first place. Terry never could get clean and both of us slowed after this first fast run. We were within 0.5s of it though. Looking at the data the lateral acceleration numbers decreased on every run. We were spraying the tires, but I think the dead AD07 was just getting worse and worse. No biggie, the car is proving it's potential besting STU by 0.5s each day even if not by the same driver. We move the car as we did the day before to let Amy run. Unfortunately the tires were getting worse and worse. Her lateral numbers were going down. She eeked out a 58.5. Her combined times would have given her 2nd place in STU Open. Her last run looked great but was 2 seconds slower! Again, looking at the data, the car just got worse and worse. We end the day excited. The car is a blast to drive on the track and at the autocross. With the new cat it sounds so mean when it shifts. We love it! Vorshlag drivers in other classes did great too. Gerry won E Stock with AST 4100s by 1.8s, ASTs were on a C6 ZO6 that got 3rd behind nationals level drivers. 0.5s out of first. This was his second event on shocks! The ST Civic we help with won overall, Matt Lucas too, and many other strong finishes. Our STU drivers had some cone troubles but had good raw times. Roger Johnson courses are evil, I'll leave it at that. Can't forget Stuart Maxcy and his A Stock win. This AST 5200s will be on the car in a few weeks! We pack things up during a break, complete our work assignment then head for Dallas at about 2PM. I check the results from the car and we were DSQ'd today? What the heck? Since we were so far back, we never checked the times. We call Gerry Terranova who checks for us. Apparently we didn't "dot our I's" when we moved the car for Amy's runs and the Impound Chief got us DSQ'd. We were standing 50 yards from the grid. Why didn't anyone ASK us why we moved or where we were? Oh, no, just DSQ them even though the car stayed in grid. For the record, we're aware of the rule of not leaving grid and would never do so, but we also had to get a car ready for the next driver. This happens all the time at Nationals where you have to DRIVE distances to other spots not even staying in the same area. We were just baffled at a Tour that someone would assume the worst. Whatever, we're calling today to argue the case and frankly discuss other concerns we had at the event. We get into the heart of South Houston (a lovely place btw) and I hear a strange noise from the trailer. Terry looks back and smoke is bellowing out from the passenger side fender. Great! A blowout on a new tire? Amy as calm and collected as she always is pulls off the highway into a Bail Bonds parking lot. You get the picture where we are? Terry and I inspect the trailer to find the leaf spring broken (and missing parts) on the rear axle. The tire was lodged in the fender which made for the smoke. We call in the soldiers. Before you know it, we have an army of people surrounding us which is good in this part of town. Jason McCall, Paul Magyar, Matt Lucas, Chris Ledbetter, Kurt Janish (Mr. Tools), Greg Piper show up along with Gerry Terranova. It was a party in South H! Terry and Jason run to Northern Tools and buy a leaf spring and new hardware. Kurt, me and everyone else work at breaking all the rusted bolts off. We broke one bolt so Terry and Gerry had to run back to the store. We had everything ready to go once they got back and we were off again. Only a two hour delay. Thanks again for everyone and their help. I wasn't too excited about leaving the Evo to go get parts. It definitely would have been missing wheels at a minimum. :) We made it back in one piece around 10PM, a LONG weekend for sure. While we didn't get to compete in STU we're pretty happy with the car. It really handles well. I can't wait to see what it does four equal, on current generation ST tires. Should be interesting!
    Brian Hanchey
    AST Suspension - USA
  •  04-06-2009, 6:53 PM 355405 in reply to 333415

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    What a weekend or maybe an entire week. We had plans to go to the Houston SCCA National Tour and participate in the STU class. That all started going "haywire" a week earlier. We had originally hoped to run the new Yokohama AD08 at the event only to find out at the last minute that wouldn't be possible, but we'd have the tires "next week"....*just* not in time for the Tour. So, we really didn't see the point in buying another set of tires at $1000 for one event, surely our old Dunlops could make one last run right? Surely the well setup Evo could muster a competitive placement even on old tires right?



    At the last minute we decided to go ahead and install a Cobb downpipe and cat "test" pipe. On Thursday I headed over to Cobb Plano to get our STU and TT maps updated before leaving at 4AM Friday for Houston. I'm driving down there when all of the sudden, out of nowhere comes a heavy duty tie down (think bulldozer "come along") into view as I change lanes to exit. The giant BANG and almost immediate left tug of the wheel told me that this was "not good". I pulled on the shoulder to find the sidewall cut into shreds and our new Enkei wheel with a gash in it. Luckily Fair was following me, but of course, we had put 17mm lug nuts and the factory was 21mm. After going to Stett Performance to borrow a socket we had the spare on. Fair drove to the shop, picked up the Dunlops and drove back to Cobb since you can't really dyno on a spare. While out, he mounted a 3 year old Advan AD07 (matching brand/size as the other three tires from our NASA TT setup, except bald and MUCH older) on the Enkei as a "back up" for the Tour, and to run at the Friday practice. This was a tire our friend and former STU competitor Mike Simanyi threw away and sent to us for fitment testing. Basically it was junk. But we wouldn't need it right? I mean we couldn't even drive on the street with it since it was below the tread bars and the others were new, with the AWD you know.

    Tuning wrapped up, we loaded the car with the Enkeis on it to practice Friday since the Dunlops were already beyond their usable life. Remember the Enkeis have 265 tires on them, not legal for STU. So the trip down was without incident. We had a trailer tire blowout a week ago so we bought 4 new ones. It was an expensive week. More on this later.



    We started the practice on the Advans with the bad Mike Simanyi tire on the left front. I helped Paul Magyar with his STI's setup while Terry and Amy drove the Evo. I drove the Evo and it didn't feel right to me, but obviously pushed with the "bad" AD07 on the front. Still the car was faster than other guys practicing by 0.5s on a 30s course. We went to lunch, came back and mounted the Dunlops. Terry's first run was 0.75s slower than the AD07s. That was a shocker. Well, we weren't going to come all that way to come in last in STU just because we had a last minute snafu on tires. Buying another set at 3PM on Friday having zero testing on Bridgestones or Toyos didn't make sense. We still want to try the Yoks when they are out. We decided to "punt" and sign up for BSP on the 265s. Since the car pushed a little we decided to put the bad tire on the back and we called it a night. Certainly disappointed. We didn't bring a BSP car to the event after all.



    Saturday morning we're ready to go. BSP was in the same run group as STU so at least we could compare times with STU drivers. Terry makes his first run and the car is terrible, unlike any time we've ever run it. It oversteers like it is on ice. I'm not much better wagging the tail out everywhere and taking cones or just DNFs since I was so off track. Terry actually puts a mid 60.6 run down but hits the last cone. The fastest STU driver was a 61.6. OK, so even with the poor handling the car is "in the hunt". We're disappointed, but hey, the car is capable.



    Amy runs after us in Heat 2, Grid B. We drive the car over after asking our competitors if they care. They didn't so we leave. More on this later. Amy takes one run and says the car is undriveable. We knew this already, but we were hoping she'd be OK. We decide to swap the bad tire back to the front. Amy makes her second run and gets a clean 61.1 BEATING the boys. Now, most will argue the course was cleaner, conditions were better. Anything NOT to let a Ladies driver beat them. BTW, she did the same at Nationals one year. Gulf Greyhound Park actually gets WORSE as the day goes on. It makes so much gravel there becomes one line and if you deviate, it's over. So we leave Saturday excited that the car seems to be better even if we're basically on 3 tires, obviously slightly bigger tires with a junk tire. The course was reversed Sunday so we swapped the bad one to the right for the Sunday runs. There were really only two left hand turns so we picked the lesser of two evils.



    We start Sunday with Terry's first run. Terry pulls out a 57.2. Most STU cars at this point were in the 59s and high 58s all dirty. Terry had a cone as well. I get in and run a clean 57.5. The best STU car is a 58.0 from Wiggy in an Evo RS. A great run no doubt. Good enough to move him into first place. Terry never could get clean and both of us slowed after this first fast run. We were within 0.5s of it though. Looking at the data the lateral acceleration numbers decreased on every run. We were spraying the tires, but I think the dead AD07 was just getting worse and worse. No biggie, the car is proving it's potential besting STU by 0.5s each day even if not by the same driver.

    We move the car as we did the day before to let Amy run. Unfortunately the tires were getting worse and worse. Her lateral numbers were going down. She eeked out a 58.5. Her combined times would have given her 2nd place in STU Open. Her last run looked great but was 2 seconds slower! Again, looking at the data, the car just got worse and worse. We end the day excited. The car is a blast to drive on the track and at the autocross. With the new cat it sounds so mean when it shifts. We love it!



    Vorshlag drivers in other classes did great too. Gerry won E Stock with AST 4100s by 1.8s, ASTs were on a C6 ZO6 that got 3rd behind nationals level drivers. 0.5s out of first. This was his second event on shocks! The ST Civic we help with won overall, Matt Lucas too, and many other strong finishes. Our STU drivers had some cone troubles but had good raw times. Roger Johnson courses are evil, I'll leave it at that. Can't forget Stuart Maxcy and his A Stock win. This AST 5200s will be on the car in a few weeks!



    We pack things up during a break, complete our work assignment then head for Dallas at about 2PM. I check the results from the car and we were DSQ'd today? What the heck? Since we were so far back, we never checked the times. We call Gerry Terranova who checks for us. Apparently we didn't "dot our I's" when we moved the car for Amy's runs and the Impound Chief got us DSQ'd. We were standing 50 yards from the grid. Why didn't anyone ASK us why we moved or where we were? Oh, no, just DSQ them even though the car stayed in grid. For the record, we're aware of the rule of not leaving grid and would never do so, but we also had to get a car ready for the next driver. This happens all the time at Nationals where you have to DRIVE distances to other spots not even staying in the same area. We were just baffled at a Tour that someone would assume the worst. Whatever, we're calling today to argue the case and frankly discuss other concerns we had at the event.

    We get into the heart of South Houston (a lovely place btw) and I hear a strange noise from the trailer. Terry looks back and smoke is bellowing out from the passenger side fender. Great! A blowout on a new tire? Amy as calm and collected as she always is pulls off the highway into a Bail Bonds parking lot. You get the picture where we are? Terry and I inspect the trailer to find the leaf spring broken (and missing parts) on the rear axle. The tire was lodged in the fender which made for the smoke. We call in the soldiers.



    Before you know it, we have an army of people surrounding us which is good in this part of town. Jason McCall, Paul Magyar, Matt Lucas, Chris Ledbetter, Kurt Janish (Mr. Tools), Greg Piper show up along with Gerry Terranova. It was a party in South H! Terry and Jason run to Northern Tools and buy a leaf spring and new hardware. Kurt, me and everyone else work at breaking all the rusted bolts off. We broke one bolt so Terry and Gerry had to run back to the store. We had everything ready to go once they got back and we were off again. Only a two hour delay. Thanks again for everyone and their help. I wasn't too excited about leaving the Evo to go get parts. It definitely would have been missing wheels at a minimum.

    We made it back in one piece around 10PM, a LONG weekend for sure. While we didn't get to compete in STU we're pretty happy with the car. It really handles well. I can't wait to see what it does four equal, on current generation ST tires. Should be interesting!
    Brian Hanchey
    AST Suspension - USA
  •  04-07-2009, 9:51 AM 355510 in reply to 355405

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    A video of Terry's 1st run the second day.

     

    http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/4882794_PPm2C#507232948_3zjHB-A-LB


    Brian Hanchey
    AST Suspension - USA
  •  04-21-2009, 1:28 AM 357499 in reply to 355510

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    Lots of little updates for the EVO lately, even though we've been working mostly on final assembly of the new 550hp LS2 motor for our BMW E36. We added some new shocks last week - Brian installed inverted AST 5200s last Thursday - and we added our first bit of bling (headlight covers). We also got a replacement 265mm AD07 tire for the one that blew out the day before the Houston Tour (the last remnants of tread on the "old" 265 we had thrown on for that event were literally crumbling!)


    XPEL yellow headlight covers. Hopefully the distinctive yellow lighting will help clear away traffic at TT events


    L: remote reservoirs are temporarily mounted to the strut brace. R: AST 5200 front strut for EVO X

    The AST 4200 shocks came off, were cleaned up, and immediately shipped out to Edmunds.com for use on their EVO X GSR track car project, in which they hope to beat a Nissan GTR on track. They've got a good, proven setup in their hands that should do just that!

    After our NASA @ TWS weekend plans were rained out (that event saw "wrath of god" rains on Saturday - we made the right choice!), Amy and I decided to enter the local SCCA autocross event in the EVO (Pennington Field, April 19, 2009). And we went full boat lazy: packed up the helmets and camera gear and just drove out there on the Yokohamas. Sometimes, very rarely, I do like racing in Street Touring. Cool

    Event Picture Gallery: here







    We're still (still) waiting on our next set of 245mm ST tires so we ran on the 265mm Yokohama AD07s. These are the full tread track tires Brian has been running at NASA Time Trials and other DEs, as well as what we ran at the Houston Tour. Since they are wider than the STU class max of 245mm we ran in BSP, naturally. Not exactly the hot ticket for that class but we mostly went to test the new AST 5200s, and of course to compare with the local STU times.

    We got to the site, slapped on the "BSP" magnetics, and pulled into the tech line. After working first heat announcing I got the car to grid. Amy and I ran in heat 2, but she ran in the pax factored "Womens" class (lets her run one class but jump around in cars all year if she wants) but I ran in BSP. I was running in the "X" Pro class, which is also Pax factored, but was getting killed by all of the National Champions in Mod cars that run this class (which tend to do VERY well on the ~30 second/smallish courses our region favors at some sites). Running BSP also gave me a slightly better chance at winning $50 per event from Don Herring Mitsubishi (this local dealership pays $50 per class win and $500 for an annual class win in any Mitsubishi), too.

    So first run Amy had some trouble remembering the course and DNF'd in a very tight offset at the finish. Checked tire pressures (32F/30R) and I made a run with a passenger. STU had run in heat one and finished with a 36.7 as the fastest run. My first run, with some herky jerkiness at the rear, was a 35.6 so I was off to a good start. The shock settings were a total guess with this new 5200 set-up, so I dropped compression in front & rebound in rear and it settled down a good bit out back. I managed to clock off 4 clean runs with my fastest on my 3rd being a 35.2 (video shown below).


    on-car video from my 3rd run. The vidcam roof mount is still terrible - its the mount shaking, not the car


    The car felt incredible - immediate turn-in, super crisp transitions, great mid-corner grip, staggering stopping power, and incredible corner exit acceleration. The SST trans was working its magic in S-Sport mode again, performing perfect 1st-2nd-3rd upshifts coming out of each tight turn around. There was a point right after the start where the speeds dictated an upshift mid corner from 1st to 2nd - which was seamless, didn't unsettle the car, and forward acceleration never ceased. This transmission is the hottest thing since sliced bread. Yes

    Amy had some minor driving troubles - a first run DNF, 2 coned runs, and she caught her hand in the paddle shifter on her 4th run causing some sideways antics - and finished the day uncharacteristically off pace. She's usually right there with me, or beating my times.

    Results: http://www.autocross.com/tr/modules/content/index.php?id=81

    My 3rd and 4th runs felt great but we're still lacking about 1/2 second of performance for STU. Using the STU pax I was only 9th out of 145 cars, and that's not nearly good enough. Using the BSP pax I was way down in 27th, yuck. The 245mm tires will change things, but we suspect these full tread 265mm AD07s won't be any better than modern ST rubber in 245mm and shaved under 5/32". We have got to get the final STU wheels and tires in our hands soon to get some much needed testing underway - its pretty damn late in the season to be picking tires, but some of the new ones we want to test still aren't out yet in the sizes we need.

    So up next we have the following potential upgrades:

    • The latest and greatest in ST approved 245mm tires (Toyo, Bridgestone, or Yokohama - we don't know yet)
    • Lighter 18x9.5" wheels
    • Sparco harness bar and 6 point harness
    • Lighter fixed back racing seats
    • Possibly a set of lighter front brakes
    • Much more setup testing at an upcoming Vorshlag Test-N-Tune practice event


    Brian and I wouldn't mind running 285mm Hoosiers on this thing and moving to BSP for good, but that doesn't really fit with the original multi-purpose street/track/autocross plan for this car, as full-tilt Street Prepared prep does push a car a bit beyond the streetable daily driver (unlimited boost, unlimited EFI/intake, no emissions). I hope we're not too disappointed with the grip from the 245mm ST tires when we get them on here. Indifferent

    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
  •  05-11-2009, 12:11 PM 360498 in reply to 357499

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)


    Vorshlag EVO X MR sporting the new Yokohama ADVAN stickers

    Another update on the Evo.  We joined the North Texas Evo Club for a HPDE / test day at Harris Hill Road (in San Marcos, TX) on Friday.  Nothing like a 20 hour day to start your weekend.  We were up at 4AM and got home at midnight.  But I can say it was well worth it!  Nothing like spending the day at a great track, great friends, and a great car.


    The wheels stayed this clean for about.... one lap

    The track day didn't start till 1PM, but we were able to pay extra to do some lapping in the morning (both Hanchey and Fair driving the EVO).  We had not run at HHR with the new spring rates, new AD07s or AST 5200s.  Of course the track conditions are not identical, but if you're down there, why not?  We started out re-familiarizing ourselves with the track then we made some swaybar changes and some shock setting changes.  When we were here in March the car had a considerable push.  Most of this was gone, but not all of it, unfortunately.  HHR has some challenging off-camber turns that don't help, but we kept changing the rear bar to try and help the situation.  The front bar needed to be softened but the schedule didn't allow for changing it.  The rear bar takes 5 minutes to change; The front you really have to jack up both sides and remove a wheel to do it.  


    Fully loaded in a corner, making right at 1.25g lateral grip. As you can see the -4° static front camber setting is perfect when loaded

    The car did drop a second or so in lap times going from high 1:30s to high 1:29s.  It is hard to take data from the same car running one day with temps in the lower 70°F range to another day where its 100°F outside on street tires and get a good comparison.  The full thread Yoks were extremely hot after only a few laps (too hot to touch).  


    The downhill Turn 5 is a total blast!

    Good news though, the Dual Clutch Semi Automatic transmission never overheated, even with the high temperatures and two drivers beating on the Evo all day.  Bad news, though, Terry DID overheat.  He got sent to the nurse's station.  Note to Terry, Diet Coke does NOT replenish fluids.  :)  Looks like we'll need to put a Spal fan on his head or something.  It IS only May after all.


    People drinking water were smart - Fair wishes he had done the same!

    Overall the day was really fun.  We both instructed students and ran in the instructor's group.  This pretty much left zero time in the afternoon to play with the car, as we'd hop from car to car after each run group ended.  We did get to try out our new datatoys.com Sony 580 line bullet camera connected to our Aiptek A-HD video camera.  We had an external microphone as well and spent each session trying to find a place to hide the mic from wind noise.  We didn't have foam to cover it up but next time we will, because no place is safe from wind noise in the Evo.


    Sean Goodpasture was flying in his EVO X GSR

    Towards the end of the day I was frantically making changes trying to eek out that last bit of precious test time.  The car had a push on corner exit that you'll see in the video.  I kept adding rear compression towards the end of the day and it finally worked! The last runs I made you'd hear the tires squealing in mid corner and as soon as you touched the gas the car would launch out of corners.  Of course, I didn't get those faster laps on video or data logged, but the feel was dramatically different.  Ugh.


    Ian Peebles was quick in his RX8 on Toyo R888s, and instructed throughout the day

    We were a bit rushed getting the car ready for this event in the week leading up to it.  It really needs another alignment, the ride height reset and the corner heights and cross weights re-balanced.  I replaced the rear spring perches with longer ones the day before we left and was not able to re-adjust the height at the rear.  I think it shows because you can see in the video that it doesn't pull as many g's in left handers as right (2nd video). We were seeing 1.25g lateral.


    The Turn 4 & 5 up/downhill complex is a signature of Harris Hill Road's beautiful course

    Here's a sample of the new camera + trackvision software (we just purchased this today) + DL1 data overlaid. You'll notice the ~1:30 lap time.  This was late in the day with over 100°F air temps.  We were both going faster in the morning.

    In Car Video


    In Car Video with TrackVision overlay:


    Next up we're going to try Race Technology's new Dash 3 display + out DL-1 in the Evo.  This will give us lap time readouts real time, as we're driving, which will help with testing.  Instead of having to come in to look at the data, we can made decisions more quickly.  Also, since Time Trial is about the fastest lap this will help us to see if we're going faster or just wasting tires and equipment.  Yes, these lap time display units have been out for a while, but there hasn't been a good one to use with the DL-1 untill now.  The DL-1 can also take OBDII data and record it and/or display it on the Dash 3 in real time.  Should be nice to see all this.


    There were a minimum of "offs" - everyone kept it clean and safe

    Here are all of the pictures: http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/8178120_W5ZoX

    (pictures and editing added by Fair)
    Brian Hanchey
    AST Suspension - USA
  •  07-14-2009, 8:06 AM 369409 in reply to 360498

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    A belated update on wheel studs, spacers and lug nuts. The EVO X MR uses lug-centric wheels from the factory, meaning, the wheel doesn't fit snugly to a hub, but is rather located by a long shank on a square shoulder lug nut. Its not ideal, but that's the way the factory chose to do it. The factory lug nuts therefore don't fit most aftermarket wheels, which tend to be built to utilize a tapered seat lug nut. So whenever we switch from the stock wheels to the Enkeis or CCWs we have to swap lug nuts. Not a problem for us, as we have thousands of tapered seat, M12-1.5 thread pitch, open ended lug nuts in stock.


    Stock length rear studs (left) vs long wheel studs (right) on the front of our EVO X

    Since the Enkei NT03+M 18x10.5" wheels didn't need a spacer so we used the stock wheel studs and our tapered seat lug nuts. Going to the 18x10 RPF1 Enkeis we needed to use a 15mm spacer in front, to clear the calipers. This entailed the use of longer wheel studs, so we used the 3" long ARP press-in studs. There's a detailed instruction guide here.



    These have worked great for both sets of Enkeis and the CCWs. About a week ago I had the stock ADVAN tires remounted on the stock MR wheels. We have race or street touring tires mounted on all the other sets, so it was time to put the stock wheels back into use. I go to plop the wheels on and went to grab the factory shank style lug nuts and ... oops... then are a closed in lug nut. This won't work with 3" long wheel studs. What to do?!

    I looked for another 10 replacement lug-centric style M12-1.5 lug nuts and I was going to cut the tops off, making them "open ended". A quick check of auto parts and tires stores reveals that Mitsu uses a proprietary shank length, so its dealership time. Bah, I'll just cut the stock nuts for now.



    Chucked each lug nut in the lathe and cut the tops off. This doesn't weaken the lug nut, as its simply a cosmetic cover. Now the stock lugs work on the stock wheels with the longer studs. Cool.
    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
  •  07-14-2009, 8:07 AM 369410 in reply to 369409

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    Wheel dilemma = solved (using two different wheels for the moment)

    Here's the weights on the stock wheel & ADVAN tire package, the CCW 18x10 with 245 AD08 ADVANS and the latest 18x10 Enkei RPF1 wheel and 245 mm AD08 setup we're using on the front:


    Factory EVO MR 18x8.5" wheel and 245mm Advan tire, 46.8 pounds


    CCW 3-piece 18x10" wheel and Yokohama ADVAN AD08 tire in 245/40/18 is 47.5 pounds


    Enkei RPF1 18x10 with ET38 offset wheel (wheel was 19.1 lbs) and 245 mm AD08 = 46.3 lbs

    So our latest 18x10" setup is lighter than the stock, skinny wheels by half a pound. Not too shabby.


    Front caliper clearance is the trick here. With 15mm of spacer up front the wheel would finally clear.

    We had already test fit these particular Enkeis in the past and they fit beautifully in the rear, but we could only find two of these wheels in the country. So we got two of them last week, found the spacer combination needed to clear the front caliper (15mm), and ran them up front with the CCW 18x10 on back. Once we can source 2 more of the Enkeis we'll put them on the rear and sell the CCWs.  


    The rear fits easily with the 6.7" backspace 18x10" CCW. It has 20mm clearance to the control arm and rear shock's spring perch

    This unusual wheel setup finally allowed us to run the new Yokohama 245/40/18 AD08s at an autocross this past weekend. I have to say - these tires are awesome. 8)
    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
  •  07-14-2009, 8:08 AM 369411 in reply to 369410

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    Since I just added a post on the EVO's autocross wheels I'd figure I'd post an update on the EVO's track wheel & tire setup in detail. This is what Brian is running at NASA TT events, HPDEs, and for the time being, as the street tire setup.


    Wheel is 21.4 lbs. Wheel + 265/35/18 Yokohama ADVAN AD07 is 48.5 lbs. The intricate spokes are hard to keep clean.


    This Enkei is an NT03+M, 18x10.5" wide, ET30 and super strong


    This package fits the front and rear of an EVO X with no spacer and only light fender rolling in rear. 285mm tires might require a bit more rolling out back


    Shot from underneath the front with the track wheels & tires mounted

    These AD07 tires are wearing extremely well and keep knocking down incredible lap times, race after race. They've also been good street tires and have done autocross duty for the past few months, while we awaited the new AD08 to arrive. I consider the older AD07 to still be a competitive tire for Street Touring and TT events.

    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
  •  07-28-2009, 1:54 PM 371369 in reply to 369411

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    Here's the updates from the last week with the EVO:



    Pictures from last weekend's Texas Time Trials event: http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/9060410_Fotkg


    those 3-piece CCWs on our V8 BMW are anchors

    In-car video from this Time Trial event (in the 490 whp BMW):


    This event on Saturday was a blast. We'll edit the video from the EVO and post it up next. As crazy as the V8 car looks in the video above the EVO was only 3 seconds a lap slower, on street tires. It was SO much easier to drive than the BMW on 4-year old R compounds. TTT president David and co-driver Gerry set-up two courses... one was a road course with timers and the other an autocross. We played with the setup on the EVO off and on all day (as well as several other cars), and worked the new engine in the BMW for many laps. Trying to de-bug little things on this car before Brian runs it at Texas World Speedway (NASA TT) next weekend, while Amy and I take the EVO up to Vail for the National Tour (a 15 hour tow, yuck). If you are in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area and have done some autocrossing or HPDE events before, check the Texas Time Trials schedule and come join them for an event. $40 for as many runs as you can stand in the 4-5 hours of your run group, no corner working, free hot lunch, and tons of fun!

    Since one full day in 108°F Texas heat wasn't enough, Amy and I ran the EVO at an Equipe Rapide autocross on Sunday.


    It was hot so we spent the 4 hours in grid under our pop-up tent!

    Pictures from ER's Challenge Cup #5 Autocross: http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/9060415_zWVVV

    The new 1000#/in rear springs (we had 800's, switched to 900's early last week, then to 1000's later in the week) really helped the car rotate better and kept the car flatter in corners. Still playing with shock and bar settings with these new spring rates, but the car rides surprisingly smooth on the street with these crazy rates.

    Results: http://www.autocross.com/er/equiperapide/modules/content/index.php?id=64


    Left: tight slalom # 3. Right: Tight turn-around # 2

    I had STU covered until Andy Hollis showed up. Who is this strange man from Austin??? Wink The ST Hondas are so damned light, and all 3 of the competitive Texas area Civics jumped classes to run in STU. Interlopers! The tight and tiny 33 second course had no place that the AWD turbo cars could use their power advantages, so Andy's sub-1900 pound Civic put .3 sec on me in the big EVO, pushing me to 2nd place on the 4th run (I still had him in 3, heh!). Amy was another .5 behind in 4th, with another Civic in between her and me (she was also edged out on the 4th run). At least she won their Women's "RapidPax" shootout, and $40 cash money. At ER events if you pay $10 extra you get 2 extra runs which are judged in their "RapidPax" results, with cash payouts. I choked in the RP runs and went slower, bah.

    The course was tiny - literally 2 big 180° turns, 3 tight slaloms, and two 90° turns. The start was severely "kinked" and there was nowhere to use any of the EVO's power. I hate those types of courses... its all about grip, grip, grip. They had over 40 Formula SAE competitors at the event so they kept the course small to work better with their itty bitty cars and time constraints. Anyway, this sized course is typical of events at this small concrete site (Pennington Field), but I still always b!tch about it. Big Smile

    3 of my 4 timed runs were in the same tenth, but I just watched the runs on video and there were still some mistakes, so I'm sure I left some time out there. It was so different with 200# more rear rate that we had to re-learn driving slaloms again.



    Brian has been playing with a new Race Technologies "Dash 3" unit and a CAN-BUS cable, getting the Mitsubishi ECM to talk to the DL1 data logger. There's pages of real time data shown on the DASH3 display reading right from the OBDII data stream... tachometer signal, TPS, and lots more. Pretty cool little unit. This will let us datalog lots more stuff and put it on the video overlays.

    OK, we'll update again after the SCCA National Tour in Vail next weekend!


    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
  •  07-28-2009, 3:37 PM 371390 in reply to 371369

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    Attachment: Tire.JPG
    Fair:


    I had STU covered until Andy Hollis showed up. Who is this strange man from Austin??? Wink

    I was just passing through and saw all these cars running around a parking lot, so I figured I'd stop in.  Big Smile


    The ST Hondas are so damned light, and all 3 of the competitive Texas area Civics jumped classes to run in STU. Interlopers!

    I was told by the locals that it was "the thing to do" and that you liked having more competition.  So I did what all the cool kids were doing... Cool


    The tight and tiny 33 second course had no place that the AWD turbo cars could use their power advantages,

    Maybe.  From the start to the first sweeper, and from that one to the second, I was power-saturated (i.e. not enough motor).  That was where you needed to play your power/traction advantage.  I'll grant you the two slaloms favored the Civic, and the back section up the hill was probably a wash.


    ...so Andy's sub-1900 pound Civic put .3 sec on me in the big EVO, pushing me to 2nd place on the 4th run (I still had him in 3, heh!).

    Sub-2000, not sub-1900.

    And, you only had me when I DNF'd my first run due to air in the brake lines (I just replaced both front calipers this week and obviously did not get them completely bled).  From the second run on, I led.  You never beat that 33.904.  Close, but no cigar.  Stick out tongue

    'Street Touring Ultra (Tire)' - Total Entries: 9 Trophies: 3 Times


    Total
    1T
    3 ANDY HOLLIS CIVIC 37.346+dnf 33.904 34.350 33.631 33.631









    -










    2T
    195 TERRY FAIR 08 MISTUBISHI EVO X MR 33.971+3 34.419 33.957 33.915+1 33.957









    0.326

     

    If it makes you feel any better, the 33.6 (and subsequent pair of 33.7's) came when I put on the good front tires.   That 33.9 was on tires that had the tread peeling off of them (see below). Surprise

    All kidding aside, I had fun.  Thanks for being a good sport.    BeerYes

     




  •  07-28-2009, 3:44 PM 371391 in reply to 371390

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    Andy Hollis:
    If it makes you feel any better, the 33.6 (and subsequent pair of 33.7's) came when I put on the good front tires.   That 33.9 was on tires that had the tread peeling off of them (see below).

    Aww, those are slicks. Protest! Crying

    Hehehe... thanks for driving up to DFW for this event - knowing you were entered was the main reason we went, and seeing our times vs yours has us going back to find more in the car.

    I hope we can keep up with the pace of STU at Vail... 16 drivers will be there gunning for the win.


    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
  •  08-06-2009, 9:43 PM 373006 in reply to 371391

    Re: Vorshlag Motorsports Evo X MR Build (STU, TTB, One Lap?)

    Vail Valley National Tour update - the battle of scrub: Amy and I went to the Vail Valley National Tour with the EVO last weekend. We got back on Tuesday but have been playing catch up all week, so I'm just now adding our event report. It was a tow from hell getting there... 16 hours straight thru, after working a full day. Towing over several mountains including an 11,000 foot high pass wasn't fun in our truck, either. We got there Friday morning at 7:30 am, and Amy was entered in the EVO school at 8:30 am. So we grabbed an hour of sleep, our only rest for 2 days, and spent the next 3 days testing and racing.



    Weather couldn't have been better - it sure beat the 100°F heat we had in Texas! Beautiful mountain views surrounded the Eagle Airport site as well. We had been battling some serious understeer the past several weeks, which I will touch on in a bit. Amy got a lot of test runs during the Evo school, but I think she could be teaching at these things by now (she has instructed at several driving schools in the past and has more wins at Nats than many of her former Evo teachers), but she says "it never hurts to get an outside perspective" and she got a good number of laps in before a freak downpour at 11 am. It dried quickly and (co-driver) John Scheier and I started taking laps at around 2 pm. The car was pushing as badly as ever, so we quickly headed for the pits and made some big changes between the many test n tune runs we made for the next several hours.

    We swapped rear swaybars (from a Cobb hollow to a Works solid), adjusted all of the shocks, changed the front camber by a full degree, tweaked the front toe, and made laps in between changes. Nothing helped. We could get the turn-in right but as soon as the front wheels turned more than a few degrees the front end would wash out. The tires were howling, and we had no front end grip. Front tires were SO hot, rears were dead cold. Frustrating! Slaloms felt OK but the many 180 degree turn-arounds we had to drive through all weekend on the narrow airstrip courses were murder. Losing so much time in the big turns!



    We've been playing with all sorts of adjustments on the car of late to try to re-discover some seriously missing front end grip. Ever since we switched from the 265mm AD07s we've been fighting a serious push, but the lack of performance wasn't as apparent at higher speed events (time trials/HPDE) nor at local autocrosses, where we still seemed to be doing well overall (but slowly slipping back in PAX). Too many spring rate changes to count, ending up with 700# fronts and 1000# rears, which seem a bit extreme because they are. On top of this push, the formerly flawless SST S-Sport automatic shifting mode was acting funny at this event for the first time ever, probably due to the 7000 foot elevation of the site? It needed coaxing to hold a gear and not upshift at odd times. Never done this to us before, so this was a mystery. We went to full manual shifting on some runs.


    285 Yokohamas and 18x10s on an E36 M3!? Mayfield was FAST

    At this Tour event we had a lot more competition (19 cars in STU!) and it was fairly obvious that the car was off the pace with all 3 of it's drivers. It wasn't until we got back that one of the obvious deficiencies was found - tire pressure. Look at this picture:



    That outside front tire looks like it is about to come off the rim. We were running the sub 30 psi pressures that had worked so well on the wider 265mm AD07s. We'd noticed odd tire wear on the 245s lately though - it as wearing the insides more then the outsides up front. WTF? There was something else going on that was masking the lack of tire pressure that is so obvious from these pictures. We're running 40 psi up front on future testing, starting today. 3700 pounds with fuel and driver is too much for 29 psi. It may have worked on the 265s, but not on these 245s. We also noticed a lack of dynamic camber in higher angle turns, not readily apparent until you study multi-sequence pictures from the same turn. It needed more caster.

    Anyway, we fought the car all weekend, barely maintaining our mid-pack finishes in this field of STU heavy hitters (driving our butts off to get 10th an 13th places in Open). Amy still won STU-L somehow, but she was struggling more than normal to stay in front. She had a "mystery cone" assigned to her fastest Saturday run that knocked a cool second off her next best time (I watched that run from start to finish - it was bogus) which made it too close for comfort. We tried all manner of changes all weekend, even adding as much as 1/2" of toe out in the rear to try to get this thing to rotate. Nothing made a difference, which just didn't make sense. Something else was fundamentally wrong. We finished our runs, taking our licks, then packed it up for an 18 hour tow back to Dallas (record traffic jam at the Eisenhower tunnel made for an extra 2 hours getting from Vail to Denver - yay!)

    On our way home we were scratching our heads, looking for answers. The video and data showed what we already knew - there was no front end grip. We had plenty of static camber and tested there with the the extremes. Hanchey called another engineer/racer friend of ours (Matteucci) and they keyed in on the many changes we've made to the car this year. We went from 4200s to 5200s (to test both AST strut designs), changed spring rates many times, played with various camber and toe settings, multiple swaybars, and more importantly used 3 different sets of wheels and 4 sets of tires in 2 widths. We also went back and forth from track to autocross setups, sometimes week after week. The problems seemed to follow the 245mm tires, and more specifically the 18x10" Enkei front wheels we've settled on lately.


    Kazera 18x9.5" wheels are 3 pounds heavier, but reduce front track width by a full 2", reducing scrub!

    Remember from earlier posts in this thread that the Enkei RPF1's we have on the front (6.7" backspace) had even less offset than the 18x10.5" NT03's we've been running for track events, and these RPF1s also needed 15mm of spacer to clear the calipers. The black CCWs on the back had more backspace as well (7") but couldn't clear the 14" front brakes with any amount of spacer. Well this weird offset issue with the front wheels was causing a terrible scrub condition, moving the centerline of the tire further away from the Kingpin angle defined scrub radius. I rechecked the toe at the event and noticed the front track width was alarming wide... nearly 74 inches! By contrast our old STU car, an E36 M3 with 18x10" wheels, has only a 67" front track width. Even our V8 powered E36 race car with 315mm tires has only a 72" track width! WTF?

    There are ways to improve weird kingpin angle/scrub issues, namely adding more positive caster. We already had a much improved over stock +5.6° of caster, but our three previous BMW racecars have always been able to achieve +7 to +9 degrees of caster, with the steering feel and dynamic camber that were much better than what you typically see on the AWD cars. They come with much more caster to start with, and we improve on that with our plates. So the first thing I did when we got back from Vail was to make a new High Caster version of our camber-caster plates. We had also just made a short production run of new HC1 plates for the GD Subaru and EVO 5-9, some of which are already on testers' cars. This EVO X version made this week was hand built and adds .400" of more caster offset, which should add another degree and a half of caster, getting us closer to +7° (we will verify with a laser alignment soon).



    We also dumped the RPF1s and CCW wheels this week, as they just are not the right fit for this car at all (CCWs are sold, the two RPF1s are for sale). The 10.5" wide NT03s are too wide for the little 245s we're restricted to for STU class, so we went looking for an 18x9.5" ET30 offset wheel... and found them from one of our employees! Stuart here at Vorshlag had a (discontinued) set of Kazera 18x9.5" ET30 wheels from an S197 chassis Mustang and they fit the Evo nearly perfectly. We're using a 5mm spacer in front (to clear the tender spring we need to run for use with a test sensor - a shock pot) and no spacer in back. The width change alone knocks out a full inch of track width plus losing a total of 20mm of spacer width is another inch less track/scrub... so track width in front is a full 2" narrower now. This is a HUGE change, and a GOOD thing when you are trying to slalom around cones. Every inch removed from track width can make significant time improvements in autocrossing.



    These wheels aren't the lightest thing we've ever run (21 pounds) but they clear the brakes better than anything other than the NT03s, and due to the proper backspacing they fix much of our scrub problems. The added caster from the new plates was obvious on our first test drive, with improved steering feel and the most important improvement - the car rotates now! I could saw the wheel and break the rear tires loose at speed, which is so much better than before. No more howling front tires, as the scrub problems in front seem to be fixed with the new wheels, and the increased tire pressures feel better as well.

    So now we're sort of back to the drawing board on the rest of our Autocross setup... we've started by resetting the adjustable swaybars on both ends, changed camber again (from -4 to -3°), and have to settle in on the spring rates now that we have the other fundamental issues improved (but it feels pretty damn good with 700/1000 - corners flat!). This scrub issue has probably been holding back performance for a couple of months. Good grief - we've only got a few weeks until Nationals, too. Today Brian also swapped back to the RacingBrake pads after he opened up the struts and put them back on with the new plates. This moved the car away from the ultra-hard race compound HTC-70 Hawk pads in front, as they take too much time to get up to working temperature. Great for the track but not so good on your first autocross run (we can't just "drag he brakes coming to the start line" due to the SST trans, either).

    We've already scheduled two more test events in the next 3 weeks, so we've got some work ahead of us. If we can regain some of the performance we had earlier this year we think the STU competitiveness will return. To top off the week we have also had to pull the trans from our V8 powered BMW, as the input shaft decided to leave the bellhousing at 155 mph at TWS last weekend. Brian was racing it at a NASA Time Trial... good times.

    Tune in for more test results soon...

    Terry Fair - www.vorshlag.com
    $2010 GRM Challenge E30 V8 + E46 DSP Autox Build
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