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Pro Finale date change

Last post 05-17-2006, 9:36 PM by Fastmike. 125 replies.
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  •  05-12-2006, 4:40 PM 191877 in reply to 191874

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    Although I feel the pain of my Prosolo loving buddies(edit: I will also have to take an extra day off due to towing arrangements), I am in the boat of wanting to get on the surface to try it out any way I can.
    If I can get on the surface without doing a bunch of Pro's, I am all for it.
    I still like going to Tours though.
    FM Lillejord(ready to be flamed).

  •  05-12-2006, 4:57 PM 191879 in reply to 191877

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    Seems there is a simple solution ... hold the warm-up on MONDAY! Why wasn't that a solution?
    Bill
  •  05-12-2006, 4:58 PM 191880 in reply to 191877

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    This is a blow to some Pro Solo supporters and I have empathy for those of you who are faced with hardship because of this.

    But especially with this being the very first time on the new pavement, it is critical to allow everyone some acclimation time on the surface prior to the National Championship event.  There can be no doubt that getting numerous runs via the Pro Finale is a huge advantage over someone who gets none.

    Bill wrote:

    "Seems there is a simple solution ... hold the warm-up on MONDAY! Why wasn't that a solution? "

    Monday is the day designers do last adjustments and checks on their courses and competitors walk the heck out of the courses.

    Jim


    Jim

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them ... well, I have others." -Groucho Marx
  •  05-12-2006, 5:07 PM 191881 in reply to 191877

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    fastmike:
    Although I feel the pain of my Prosolo loving buddies, I am in the boat of wanting to get on the surface to try it out any way I can.
    If I can get on the surface without doing a bunch of Pro's, I am all for it.
    I still like going to Tours though.
    FM Lillejord(ready to be flamed).


    Agreed. This will probably be less well received, but personally I think that if you have participated in the Finale, then you should skip the practice event to give other competitors a chance to get on the surface.

    It won't happen that way, and as mentioned the practice will be filled by late June, mid July.

    - Zack
    '87 MR2 DP #77
    Now with more bacon!

  •  05-12-2006, 5:15 PM 191882 in reply to 191872

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    ...it does show the lack of priority for Prosolo and the people that support it.

    And on my way home, this is what struck me as why the mid-season decision to change the date bothers me so much.

    ProSolo competitors pay more per event ($85 vs. $76) than National Tour competitors. Divisional entry fees are even lower ($60 for a SEDiv, for instance).

    ProSolo competitors must attend at least two events in order to qualify for the Finale. Those attending the National Championships don't even have to run one event; they can simply pay a waiver instead. While the waiver is more than an entry fee, it is still significantly less than an event weekend when gas, hotel and food is factored in.

    ProSolo is supposed to be a showcase event for SCCA Solo (look at the rulebook and read what it says the "intent" of ProSolo is). I feel a bit betrayed by Howard and Cindy, especially, with this decision, because by moving the Finale back for a warmup day that not everyone is going to be able to participate in anyway, it shows not just a lack of priority for ProSolo, but a lack of respect towards the ProSolo competitor and the commitment one must have as a ProSolo competitor. They have continually expressed their support and commitment to the ProSolo program, which is why I can't understand why they would undermine people's belief that ProSolo is a worthwhile program by jerking the competitors around midseason -- yet again (remember the 2003 "qualifying" debacle?).

    How many non-ProSolo people are going to be able to do the warmup? 200? 300? What makes them so much more important than the 200-250 who are competing and have already made the commitment -- through competing in ProSolos already this year -- to be there for the Finale? Why can't they be the ones come out on Friday instead?

    Karen


    Karen Kraus
    2005 SCCA SEDiv FS Champion
    2007 SCCA DSL National Champion
    2008 SCCA ProSolo L1 Champion
  •  05-12-2006, 5:30 PM 191883 in reply to 191882

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    I will have to take an extra day off due to the fact that the trailer we will be pulling will have a car in it that will be doing the finale.
    That is ok with me because I think the new schedule allows the largest # of Solo competitors to get a chance to run on the new surface.
    FM Lillejord

  •  05-12-2006, 5:42 PM 191884 in reply to 191882

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    I agree with Karen 100%!  Karen, thank you for explaining so well what I've been feeling and mulling over for the last 4 hours now...

    177 STX
  •  05-12-2006, 5:43 PM 191885 in reply to 191883

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    I assume that getting into the practice will be easy now.  After all they have the whole site.  If it will hold two nationals courses it should hold two practices. 
  •  05-12-2006, 5:50 PM 191886 in reply to 191882

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    CamaroFS34:
    I feel a bit betrayed by Howard and Cindy, especially, with this decision, because by moving the Finale back for a warmup day that not everyone is going to be able to participate in anyway, it shows not just a lack of priority for ProSolo, but a lack of respect towards the ProSolo competitor and the commitment one must have as a ProSolo competitor. Karen

    I talked to Cindy and I can tell you she had nothing to do with this. She has no input on Natls this year and was told this is happening.

     


    Jason Isley
    2005-2006-2007-2008 B Stock National Champion
  •  05-12-2006, 5:52 PM 191887 in reply to 191885

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    JerryLamb:
    I assume that getting into the practice will be easy now.  After all they have the whole site.  If it will hold two nationals courses it should hold two practices. 

    One would think if it will hold two natls course and two practice courses it would also hold a Prosolo and Natl tour type warm up course. Confused [*-)]

     


    Jason Isley
    2005-2006-2007-2008 B Stock National Champion
  •  05-12-2006, 6:06 PM 191888 in reply to 191887

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    RX7 KLR:
    One would think if it will hold two natls course and two practice courses it would also hold a Prosolo and Natl tour type warm up course. Confused [*-)]


    But they don't need to be at the same time now. 

    Now that they moved the pro, it will at least be nice if they are smart about the practice to keep the lines down and make it successful for everyone who shows up. 
  •  05-12-2006, 6:24 PM 191891 in reply to 191888

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    Why isn't MONDAY an option for the Practice day?
    Mark Davis
    1993 Toyota MR-2 White "Casper"
    www.rpgproduction.com
  •  05-12-2006, 6:24 PM 191892 in reply to 191888

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    rumatt:

    But they don't need to be at the same time now. 

    Now that they moved the pro, it will at least be nice if they are smart about the practice to keep the lines down and make it successful for everyone who shows up. 

    That is, now that 250 of us have to get there a day earlier. 

  •  05-12-2006, 6:27 PM 191893 in reply to 191891

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    devomgd:
    Why isn't MONDAY an option for the Practice day?

     

    Because course setup and walks take all day.  The course designers/setup need the time.

  •  05-12-2006, 6:30 PM 191894 in reply to 191888

    Re: Pro Finale date change

    I'm in the same boat as many others here...I had every single one of my vacation days already allocated.  So, now something has to give, and I start to question the amount of money I spend to run the Pro series, which apparently isn't all that high on the National office's priority list.  I guess the timing equipment issues at every event should have been my first tip off. Sad [:(]

    One thing's for certain, with a canvass that big, these Finale courses had better be some damn fine works of art!

    Steve

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