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OasisTan:

Tim

No worries.  We have 4 drivers in the new Mini.  2 in STX for sure and 2 in STU or DSP.  ;-)  There is no way we won't have 2 drivers in STX, for the Tour, I'm STX all the way.  For the Pro though, I just need to make sure things are working well before I run STX, but, there will be 2 drivers in the Pro in my car regardless of who they are whether it be Bishop and Silva, or Barnard and Silva or Me and Silva.

see ya!

Craig

I vote for DSP.   We need a driver or 2.   I was very curious to run against you guys down in Ft. Myers.  Wanted to see how those little things do against our big heavy Bimmer.

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Cliffie "The Wrench"
www.ChattanoogaMafia.com

Fastech Motorwerks
DSP 98 BMW 328iS

"I don't know where we are going, but there is no sense in being late."

yellowblur:

Whew! Thanks Craig! Is your suspension ready to go? See you and everyone else there.

-tim

Everything is installed as of this last week.  We had a local event today.  I can't seem to keep from nipping 1 cone per run on pretty much every run with the wider rubber/track.  lol  I think on my 8 runs, I hit 1 cone on 7 of them and the 8th I had smaller wheels/tires.  Things felt pretty good, now if we can just get it to rotate on that WNR surface.

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2006 GS National Champion
2007 GS National Champion....Runner up lol
2008 GS National Champion

Cliffscca:

OasisTan:

Tim

No worries.  We have 4 drivers in the new Mini.  2 in STX for sure and 2 in STU or DSP.  ;-)  There is no way we won't have 2 drivers in STX, for the Tour, I'm STX all the way.  For the Pro though, I just need to make sure things are working well before I run STX, but, there will be 2 drivers in the Pro in my car regardless of who they are whether it be Bishop and Silva, or Barnard and Silva or Me and Silva.

see ya!

Craig

I vote for DSP.   We need a driver or 2.   I was very curious to run against you guys down in Ft. Myers.  Wanted to see how those little things do against our big heavy Bimmer.

Cliff,

I would have been in a GS mini there since it was borrowed, you guys would have swashed me 3 times over.  My little Mini is a whole different beast entirely, I may only be squashed once now.  Also, I don't know if I can control it just yet.  :-)  Although, I had more fun running fun runs in DSP today autocrossing at our local than I ever have, so, if you guys give me a 3 second handicap, I might just jump to DSP and let Joe Silva, Ryan Barnard and/or Mark Bishop run STX and pull one of them for a 2nd driver to DSP.  ;-)

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2006 GS National Champion
2007 GS National Champion....Runner up lol
2008 GS National Champion

Sounds good to me...not sure about the 3 seconds though   We can use some test runs to set the lengths and run it just like the show Pinks....except without the actual pinks...lol

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Cliffie "The Wrench"
www.ChattanoogaMafia.com

Fastech Motorwerks
DSP 98 BMW 328iS

"I don't know where we are going, but there is no sense in being late."

So, what class would a 2006 JCW MCS with camber plates be in?

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1994 Provincial HS Champion
1996 Provincial AS Champion
2008 KC Tour-CS Trophy winner
2008 Nationals Rookie-CS Trophy winner
2009 Houston Tour-CS winner

loosecannon:

So, what class would a 2006 JCW MCS with camber plates be in?

DSP for r-compounds or STX for street tires.

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#95 STS.

KC:

loosecannon:

So, what class would a 2006 JCW MCS with camber plates be in?

DSP for r-compounds or STX for street tires.

 

So, If I was stock then I'm in BS but with camber plates I move to DSP? You sure?

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1994 Provincial HS Champion
1996 Provincial AS Champion
2008 KC Tour-CS Trophy winner
2008 Nationals Rookie-CS Trophy winner
2009 Houston Tour-CS winner

loosecannon:

KC:

loosecannon:

So, what class would a 2006 JCW MCS with camber plates be in?

DSP for r-compounds or STX for street tires.

 

So, If I was stock then I'm in BS but with camber plates I move to DSP? You sure?

yes.

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Jeff Templeton
2000 Impreza RS

which other BS car moves from BS to DSP? really seems a bit irrational..that's where the GS cars go....my DS car goes to CSP. other DS cars go to ESP like the WRX. personally i would put it with the catch all of CSP. all sports cars under 2.0L not otherwise classified...but i guess some people on the board must drive mini's...if a DSP car is getting FTD then that's a bit messed personally...yea you have to be a good driver, but still you'll murder every other car in PAX then. there's no way civic SI or a sentra will ever compete with this. it's unfair to everybody that's already been classed DSP. i was there i know what that competition is like. even the Cooper S kills it. anyways...rant over...

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Bridesmaid Racing
2008 SCCA Nationals DS Runner-Up
2008 Kansas City NT DS Runner-Up
2008 Milwaukee NT DS Runner-Up
2007 SCCA Nationals DS Runner-Up
2007 Milwaukee NT DS Runner-Up
2006 ASN Nationals DS Runner-Up

JT_TT:

which other BS car moves from BS to DSP? really seems a bit irrational..that's where the GS cars go....my DS car goes to CSP. other DS cars go to ESP like the WRX. personally i would put it with the catch all of CSP. all sports cars under 2.0L not otherwise classified...but i guess some people on the board must drive mini's...if a DSP car is getting FTD then that's a bit messed personally...yea you have to be a good driver, but still you'll murder every other car in PAX then. there's no way civic SI or a sentra will ever compete with this. it's unfair to everybody that's already been classed DSP. i was there i know what that competition is like. even the Cooper S kills it. anyways...rant over...

Because that's where it was classed according to the April Fastrack Tech Bulletin. (I also do not agree with it, but they make the rules).

6. Street Prepared: The '06+ Mini Cooper S JCW factory option package is covered by the current listing for the Mini Cooper S in DSP. The '05 and previous (dealer-installed) JCW package is the one covered by the current ASP listing. Per Street Prepared update/backdate allowances, a pre-'06 can be updated to the '06+ package specs and thus be a DSP car.

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#95 STS.

JT_TT:

which other BS car moves from BS to DSP? really seems a bit irrational..that's where the GS cars go....my DS car goes to CSP. other DS cars go to ESP like the WRX. personally i would put it with the catch all of CSP. all sports cars under 2.0L not otherwise classified...but i guess some people on the board must drive mini's...if a DSP car is getting FTD then that's a bit messed personally...yea you have to be a good driver, but still you'll murder every other car in PAX then. there's no way civic SI or a sentra will ever compete with this. it's unfair to everybody that's already been classed DSP. i was there i know what that competition is like. even the Cooper S kills it. anyways...rant over...

You do understand that the car has yet to dethrone any of the BMW's?  Thus, at the national level, nothing has changed so far with this.  Possibly in your pond it's affected things, but the rules are written for the national scene, not in regards to the local stuff.  - AB

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'08 Z51 Corvette - SS #27
'06 Chrysler Crossfire (retired in '08)
'04 RX-8 #87 BS (retired in '07)
'01 Celica GTS #193 STS (retired in '05)

there's no way civic SI or a sentra will ever compete with this.

of course, they already don't compete with an E36....

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Jeff Templeton
2000 Impreza RS

(In reply to B1MMERS post, not sure what happened to the quote).....

Very true, I'm not sure that anything in DSP can dr-throne the Bimmers, EVER. 

I will have fun trying though at one or two more National events later this season ;-)  I think the BMW's are safe for at least this year though(and probably many more).  However, we have made some really good changes to my JCW, so, who knows, maybe I'll at least be in the same ballpark before seasons end.

Craig Wilcox

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2006 GS National Champion
2007 GS National Champion....Runner up lol
2008 GS National Champion

JT_TT:

which other BS car moves from BS to DSP? really seems a bit irrational..that's where the GS cars go....my DS car goes to CSP. other DS cars go to ESP like the WRX. personally i would put it with the catch all of CSP. all sports cars under 2.0L not otherwise classified...but i guess some people on the board must drive mini's...if a DSP car is getting FTD then that's a bit messed personally...yea you have to be a good driver, but still you'll murder every other car in PAX then. there's no way civic SI or a sentra will ever compete with this. it's unfair to everybody that's already been classed DSP. i was there i know what that competition is like. even the Cooper S kills it. anyways...rant over...

1) No one on the SEB currently runs a Mini

2) A mini is a sedan, not a sports car (think two seaters).

And here's the real point...

3) Maybe the JCW Mini is really a DS car but the SEB did not want to see it possibly win in yet another Stock class.  Plenty of DS cars are in DSP, like say..an E36 BMW?

--Andy

Now I'm confused, look at page 14, item 6 of the April Fastrack http://www.scca.org/_FileLibrary/File/06-4-fastrack.pdf  It looks like the stock 06 JCW MCS is in DSP, not BS. If it's talking about modified JCW Mini's going to DSP, isn't the PAX for DSP better than the PAX for BS?

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1994 Provincial HS Champion
1996 Provincial AS Champion
2008 KC Tour-CS Trophy winner
2008 Nationals Rookie-CS Trophy winner
2009 Houston Tour-CS winner

loosecannon:

Now I'm confused, look at page 14, item 6 of the April Fastrack http://www.scca.org/_FileLibrary/File/06-4-fastrack.pdf  It looks like the stock 06 JCW MCS is in DSP, not BS. If it's talking about modified JCW Mini's going to DSP, isn't the PAX for DSP better than the PAX for BS?

Are you familiar at all with the rules or rule book that the SCCA uses? http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/2006_solo_rules.pdf

In stock form, it's in BS. (Covered in '06 Rulebook)

In a slightly modified form on street tires, it's in STX (Also covered in '06 Rule book)

From slightly modified to decently modified, with R-compounds, it's in DSP. (Was in ASP in rulebook, and then clarified via Fastrack that it's now in DSP because it was changed after the rule book was printed).

DSP Pax (.829) is slightly harder than BS (.822).

If BS gets a 60.00 on a course, DSP needs a 59.492 to beat BS in PAX.

--kC

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#95 STS.

KC:

loosecannon:

Now I'm confused, look at page 14, item 6 of the April Fastrack http://www.scca.org/_FileLibrary/File/06-4-fastrack.pdf  It looks like the stock 06 JCW MCS is in DSP, not BS. If it's talking about modified JCW Mini's going to DSP, isn't the PAX for DSP better than the PAX for BS?

Are you familiar at all with the rules or rule book that the SCCA uses? http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/2006_solo_rules.pdf

In stock form, it's in BS. (Covered in '06 Rulebook)

In a slightly modified form on street tires, it's in STX (Also covered in '06 Rule book)

From slightly modified to decently modified, with R-compounds, it's in DSP. (Was in ASP in rulebook, and then clarified via Fastrack that it's now in DSP because it was changed after the rule book was printed).

DSP Pax (.829) is slightly harder than BS (.822).

If BS gets a 60.00 on a course, DSP needs a 59.492 to beat BS in PAX.

--kC

 

Thanks for the clarification, I race in Canada and the U.S. and must be confusing the different rules.

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1994 Provincial HS Champion
1996 Provincial AS Champion
2008 KC Tour-CS Trophy winner
2008 Nationals Rookie-CS Trophy winner
2009 Houston Tour-CS winner