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don't know if anyone has brought this up yet. those pesky st drivers have won every hawk super challenge this year!!! WTF!!!! if this keeps up i'm bringing my knife to the finale. we'll see how you guys can win with big gashes in your sidewalls!!!!

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Hector San Nicolas

my last name says i'm a saint,
but putting up with lehman will get me sainthood

Just convince Lehman to begin telling eratic and pointless stories to the ST competitors in the challenge. I'm sure he could confuse them enough to throw them off.

 

I pretty sure I'm still confused and I only said Hi to him at Toledo.

 

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02 wrx 78 stx

Hector,

Dude, we got back after a 22 hour drive last night, and now I see you are posting on the forums.  Try as you like, but you will never be as sick as me.

Anyway, just thought of the most brilliant plan I have ever had to throw Hollis off his game at the next Pro.  This solution came to me in my sleep as I was snoring last night while I think my wife was hitting me as I slept.

Ok here it is...........

I contacted a lawyer this morning and have begun the process of legally changing my name to "Andy Hollis", and have also decided to Trademark the name "The Real Andy Hollis".  Don't you think that's going to mess with him pretty good, I will be going all over Topeka introducing myself as "Andy Hollis"......

Can't you just see it now, Andy tries to go to dinner in Topeka at Outback, and says to hostess, "Hollis for 2, I called ahead for a 7:30 pm dinner reservation"----

The Hostess says, "Sorry sir, but I don't see you listed here",

Andy says, "The name is Andy Hollis"

Hostess-----"Yes, we did have a reservation for Andy Hollis, and he is sitting right over there with the Cuban fellow, and the small Italian man without a mustache------Mr. Hollis is the one that just loudly burped in the restaurant with the eyeglasses on, and a napkin partially draped over his head, and why the napkin is on his his head, I really do not have a clue"

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Trying to get faster

mccanixx:

Just convince Lehman to begin telling eratic and pointless stories to the ST competitors in the challenge. I'm sure he could confuse them enough to throw them off.

 

I pretty sure I'm still confused and I only said Hi to him at Toledo.

 

 

convincing lehman to tell erratic and pointless stories is like trying to convince a stripper to take a dollar from you for dancing on stage. here's how the conversation would go:

me- dave, i need you to talk mindless jabber to those pesky st guys over there in hopes that they will lose their concentration. can you do that?

dave- wait, i'm confused... don't i always do that? oh, listen, when we get back to the hotel room i wanna make sure we have enough comforters because last nite i really couldnt sleep well. i dunno, the ac was making noise and someone kept pacing upstairs, it sounded like mice so maybe it was little kids. have you seen a bunch of kids running around the hotel or do you think it could be mice because if it is mice i dont know about asking for an extra comforter so i can sleep better. you know its just that i like it freezing cold in there but i like to feel a lot of weight on me and thats why i wear the hoosier sweater and my jammies and have the two comforters. i still feel bad for braun that time we roomed together at atlanta but you know you figure a guy who lives in michigan would be used to the cold, i dunno? wait, what did you say you wanted me to do? something about penske guys are here and you want me to go talk to them?

 with dave, its not how annoying he is, its how often he's annoying.

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Hector San Nicolas

my last name says i'm a saint,
but putting up with lehman will get me sainthood

Actually my serious response to the ST domination of the Pro Super Challenges is this.......

 ST cars can't pull the g's of most of the other cars, and are also slower in accleration.

In other words they have a more limited envelope of their performance capabilities. 

I guess its slow and steady wins the race, or rather slow and consistent.  Easier to replicate performance when not on the edge.

 

PS---possibly watching the ST car go first on the tree puts the other drivers to sleep.

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Trying to get faster

David Lehman:

Actually my serious response to the ST domination of the Pro Super Challenges is this.......

 ST cars can't pull the g's of most of the other cars, and are also slower in accleration.

In other words they have a more limited envelope of their performance capabilities. 

I guess its slow and steady wins the race, or rather slow and consistent.  Easier to replicate performance when not on the edge.

 

Baloney.

While the upper limits of steady state grip may be lower, the transitional response is actually quite similar to r-compound cars.  Look to the recent thread  on the Peru "wallom" for details.  In addition, the acceleration on many of these cars is superior to similar stock class cars due to additional engine mods and lower weights.  As a result, you have a car that accelerates well, yet has to deal with less grip in steady state corners, so it has to slow down more.  That actually results in a broader (top to bottom) performance envelope.  In essence, you have to do more as a driver to achieve the max potential of the car.

I've driven in all of the categories competitively over the years (30 of them), and continue to do so on a regular basis in Evo schools, and I truly believe that running at the front in an ST car is more challenging than most Stock and SP category vehicles.

And if you doubt that, I'd be happy to run you for pinks anytime.  Three runs each in your car, and three runs each in my car.  Best total time wins.

--Andy

 

Andy----

That would be fun.  However I have no desire to win from you a womens soiled undergarment or as you say "pinks".

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Ok, kidding aside.  Have you ever competed in a "less challenging" sportscar in autocrossing.  A la ASP, BSP, CSP, DSP or ESP or a AS, SS or BS.

Do you ever get bored driving the same gas sippers that you always do ?

I have seen your name in the back of the book in like HS in like 1995.  Congrats.  That is an accomplishment.  But have you ever competed in something that could actually beat a Mini-van in a quater mile drag race.

I have only been doing this madness for about 7 years from 1st event to now, so you will excuse me if I have never seen you in any other car but your ST Miata and Honda.

I WOULD LOVE TO RACE YOU IN A SIMILAR CAR.......win or lose it would be fun !

Come on----you telling me you can't bum a ride in ASP from Jr or Rod ?

Time to sell the girly cars !   (i'll give you $500 bucks for each one-----and give them to my daughter so she can teach her friends to drive stick in a car that won't scare them.)

I would give my left nut if you got a ASP car-----or even got a ride from someone-----I would LOVE IT !

Maybe I would lose, maybe I would lose badly, but I would still love it !

Now that I have beaten the challenge of Ann-----Maybe it's time to bring on Andy ?!

Hell, you and Ann can co-drive......

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PS-------when did you actually drive a SS, AS, BSP or ASP car in national competition if ever ?

Bring it !  Show me your skill.......Kick my ass ! 

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Trying to get faster

David Lehman:

Ok, kidding aside.  Have you ever competed in a "less challenging" sportscar in autocrossing.  A la ASP, BSP, CSP, DSP or ESP or a AS, SS or BS.

I started autocrossing in 1978 in a Shelby GT350.  Yeah, a real one.  Hocked everything I could to buy it. Ran in Stock first, then SP.  That was before R-compounds even existed.  Everything was harder to drive in those days with crappy suspensions and crappy street tires.  That's why Prepared existed (slicks).

Then a Sunbeam Tiger in B-Prepared.  Big motor, big sticky tires, small wheelbase = big fun.

And later a C4 Vette in SS and CSP Miata.

So yes, I've run big hp cars that I've owned.  But I prefer not to spend the tire budget that those cars require, nor take the depreciation hit.  I'd rather spend the money to travel to more big events and compete against the best, week in and week out.

I also regularly run cars like that at Evo schools.   And I usually have no trouble putting down fast times.

But enough about me.  I think your previous comment denigrates the accomplishments of the 2008 Super Challenge winners.  And since I've won two so far this year, I take that personally.

--Andy 

 

While I might prefer that Andy ran in a different class than I did , it's nice to have him as a benchmark of what a top driver can do in a top prepared car. 

And his success in the Challenges speaks as much for his experience as his skill.

I've personally only made 3 bonus challenges over the years (15+), and lack of experience took me out of two of them (I didn't stand a chance in the 3rd one, due to the way they do indexes in the bonus challenge, as both of us were running on indexes with cones attached. I made it past the first round, but couldn't overcome the penalty for a 2.2 second breakout.). 

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David Avard
89 Honda Civic Si black (STS)
07 Mazda 3s (HS?)

I was just messing around and BS'ing.  And mostly busting your balls.

But I did witness, a nice little piece of classlessness (is that a word and did I spell it right ?)-----

Well, anyway when I attended the 06 Pro Championship-Finale banquet I saw you accept your "SUPER CHALLENGE" winner trophy, and get all emotional and all, and give a tearful speech.  Well I stayed around for everyone's awards as I thought it was rude when people get up and left after their classes were finished.  Espically when the ladies were called a lot of people had left, but I stayed around and was treated to your speech---which I stuck around for.

Fast Foward to the next year-----you didn't win the whole thing.  You were there one minute, and not there the next minute when your name was called.  I knew you were into autocrossing, but didn't realize you were really good at magic, because you just DISAPPEARED.

Classy.

 

PS----Oh yeah----maybe I get rubbed the wrong way by your attitude that I pick-up on that you are like saving the Universe by autocrossing, and that this stuff is the most important stuff in the world.  I one the other hand happen to be more of a less serious person, as I realize that I am driving around cones in a parking lot.  My "disrespectful" attitude towards your calling probably rubs you the wrong way----and your frozen face as you walk by me rubs me the wrong way.  However it's fun not to be buddy---buddy with everyone.  You have to have some rivals to make it interesting.  It would be fun for me if you ran my class--------

PSS------C4 and for that matter C5's are pretty cheap to get into.  Come on Cashmore has never spent more than 9,000 on a car, and he runs AS.

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Trying to get faster

David Lehman:

Fast Foward to the next year-----you didn't win the whole thing.  You were there one minute, and not there the next minute when your name was called.  I knew you were into autocrossing, but didn't realize you were really good at magic, because you just DISAPPEARED.

Classy.

 

That had nothing to do with winning and losing.  I left the banquet to support my distraught wife.

Go talk to Peter and he'll give you the whole story.  You are dead wrong on this one.

As for "just busting my balls", your original comment was prefaced by this, "Actually my serious response to the ST domination of the Pro Super Challenges is this........

That sure sounds like you were trying to be serious for a change.  I used to just ignore everything you posted because it was not serious and/or I did not get the humor. Guess I will go back to that philosophy.

--Andy 

Andy Hollis:

David Lehman:

Fast Foward to the next year-----you didn't win the whole thing.  You were there one minute, and not there the next minute when your name was called.  I knew you were into autocrossing, but didn't realize you were really good at magic, because you just DISAPPEARED.

Classy.

 

That had nothing to do with winning and losing.  I left the banquet to support my distraught wife.

Go talk to Peter and he'll give you the whole story.  You are dead wrong on this one.

As for "just busting my balls", your original comment was prefaced by this, "Actually my serious response to the ST domination of the Pro Super Challenges is this........

That sure sounds like you were trying to be serious for a change.  I used to just ignore everything you posted because it was not serious and/or I did not get the humor. Guess I will go back to that philosophy.

--Andy 

 

David,

 

Apologize!!  The Pro Solo Banquet leaving had NOTHING to do with winning or loosing.  

 

Peter 

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T3 S2000
E46 M3 OLOA Project

David Lehman:

But I did witness, a nice little piece of classlessness (is that a word and did I spell it right ?)-----

Fast Foward to the next year-----you didn't win the whole thing.  You were there one minute, and not there the next minute when your name was called.  I knew you were into autocrossing, but didn't realize you were really good at magic, because you just DISAPPEARED.

Classy.

Drop it David.

Andy & Ann left the banquet for personal reasons.

I congratulate you on your recent win, you are getting better as far as driving goes... you still need some work on the personal front. 

WTF?!.   

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Beth McClure-Strelnieks
SM2 11, 20B '93 Rx7 R1, Black
DS 11 '08 BMW 135i
05 AMG SLK 350

Agreed.  Why attack Andy?  He's a good guy and you are taking it to a personal level.  That's pretty classless. 

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Jer
#196 ES
#187 SS retired

David Lehman:

I was just messing around and BS'ing.  And mostly busting your balls.

But I did witness, a nice little piece of classlessness (is that a word and did I spell it right ?)-----

Well, anyway when I attended the 06 Pro Championship-Finale banquet I saw you accept your "SUPER CHALLENGE" winner trophy, and get all emotional and all, and give a tearful speech.  Well I stayed around for everyone's awards as I thought it was rude when people get up and left after their classes were finished.  Espically when the ladies were called a lot of people had left, but I stayed around and was treated to your speech---which I stuck around for.

Fast Foward to the next year-----you didn't win the whole thing.  You were there one minute, and not there the next minute when your name was called.  I knew you were into autocrossing, but didn't realize you were really good at magic, because you just DISAPPEARED.

Classy.

 

PS----Oh yeah----maybe I get rubbed the wrong way by your attitude that I pick-up on that you are like saving the Universe by autocrossing, and that this stuff is the most important stuff in the world.  I one the other hand happen to be more of a less serious person, as I realize that I am driving around cones in a parking lot.  My "disrespectful" attitude towards your calling probably rubs you the wrong way----and your frozen face as you walk by me rubs me the wrong way.  However it's fun not to be buddy---buddy with everyone.  You have to have some rivals to make it interesting.  It would be fun for me if you ran my class--------

PSS------C4 and for that matter C5's are pretty cheap to get into.  Come on Cashmore has never spent more than 9,000 on a car, and he runs AS.

 

David, I've known you a long time and I know that You know better then that!  You own an Apology!  As Beth already stated Ann and Andy left for personal reasons and I was quite happy to see they made it at all. 2ndly I've never once stayed till the end of any awards banquet so you might as well ridicule me as well.   

As for ST cars winning the Pro's.  I do feel that throwing around a Big HP car consistently is more challenging then a lower hp car. But that's not the reason you see ST winning. It's because these guys CAN DRIVE. But look at GS and HS and CSP in challenge rounds. They typically do well.  Keep in mind David Newman in XP won the Challenge last year at the Pro in D.C. with JR and I battling it out for 3rd (that's 3 high hp cars in the top 4).  So it's not always the low hp cars at the front. When I will be impressed is when I see a CP car win the challenge. For two reason. 1st of which being that it ran that long...........  I kid I kid!

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1999 Civic Si SSC

Andy----

1)  I had no idea why you left, but after I stayed for your speech when you won, and you were no where to be found that's what I thought.

2)  Hell, Hector started the ST thread so I just jumped in to goof around.  And then I though of a theory.

3)  A lot of people respect you in the Solo community, and some don't care for you.  All I know is that for the past couple of years whenever I see you------you have an expressionless face----and I kinda get the feeling that I rub you the wrong way.

4)  I have noticed what I think is a bias on the event write up's, but I guess that's just me being biased too.

5)  I got two personal messages-----

                          First one from Beth, didn't really know if she knew my name, because when I say hello to her she generally looks straight ahead like she didn't see me.  Oh yeah she said "Not a good decision"-----guys think I am funny---girls don't----.  Ok I get it.  She obviously doesn't think I am funny.  I get it.  I am not trying to be funny right now.

                           Second message was from a fellow goofball that I know that said he was just waiting for me to ask which car of  those that you named was the one you got busted cheating in.  (This maybe just a vicious rumor----I don't know, maybe I am way out of line........and whatever happened if it did happen was way before my time).

 

David

 

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Trying to get faster

Somebody take Lehman's keyboard away.  please. 

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Jer
#196 ES
#187 SS retired

David Lehman:

                           Second message was from a fellow goofball that I know that said he was just waiting for me to ask which car of  those that you named was the one you got busted cheating in.  (This maybe just a vicious rumor----I don't know, maybe I am way out of line........and whatever happened if it did happen was way before my time).

An action for which I sent individual personal apologies to all of the class participants, and to the community as a whole, as printed in Sports Car, GRM and NA Pylon.  I also paid/served the entire penalty, as well as numerous other effects it had on my life.  We learn from our mistakes.  It is also one of the prime motivators for me to give back to the sport by volunteering my time serving on various boards (SEB, SAC, STAC), and by instructing the next generation.  That incident was 18 years ago.  Time to move on.

I'm done with this thread.  Further personal attacks will get no response from me.

--Andy

 

 

 

Howdy,

Andy Hollis:

An action for which I sent individual personal apologies to all of the class participants, and to the community as a whole, as printed in Sports Car, GRM and NA Pylon.  I also paid/served the entire penalty, as well as numerous other effects it had on my life.  We learn from our mistakes.  It is also one of the prime motivators for me to give back to the sport by volunteering my time serving on various boards (SEB, SAC, STAC), and by instructing the next generation.  That incident was 18 years ago.  Time to move on.

Andy, in the FWIW category... I've always considered you to be a fellow autocrosser, and thus a friend.  I've personally seen your work on the SEB and been glad that you were there (even when we were disagreeing about something).

I'm sure I'm not the only person that came into autox long after whatever happened, happened.  I've never heard the straight scoop on what went down, and instead have only ever heard whispers/rumours, etc.  By and large I've tended to ignore them, but I can't help being curious as to what the real story was and I imagine other folks that haven't interacted with you personally as much as I have might have a worse opinion.

It may be that its an appropriate time for a "tell all" about that incident, to publically put it behind you.  It might even serve as an object lesson for the next generation.

 

Again, just MHO, FWIW, etc.

Mark